Just a warning, Addison, Dr C will strongly advise you not to take sustanon. If you want sustanon be prepared to fight for it. Ryan will be able to tell you more about that, since I'm on testogel.

---

Post Merge: April 15, 2010, 11:15:30 AM

---

Quote from: Gizzy on April 15, 2010, 11:08:29 AM
I haven't learnt to self inject yet. I'm sure your GP would allow the nurses to inject you locally though.
Also, I assume you plan on Sustanon from your 2 weekl comment, keep in mind that Dr Curtis REALLY does not like prescribing it.

ha, you beat me to it.

Yeah. I've had alot of trouble with Dr Curtis.
Either way though, he will do everything in his power to keep you away from Sustanon.

He can't completely stop me from having it though if I say I definitely want it and not testogel?

Sorry to butt in on you guys

Is there any reason why that particular doctor tries to keep people away from Sustanon?

Is there some really bad health risk every other endo isn't telling us about?

Just curious, being on Sustanon myself and all.

Dr Curtis' body doesn't react well to it I hear.
He claims that being Sustanon is like being a man on steroids. Gel and nebido mimic a more male testosterone level throughout the days.
He also lead me to believe that there was increased risk with using Sustanon long term as opposed to the others.

Sustanon obviously isn't that bad as it's the only form of T that the NHS prescribe as a rule.

Ah man that's bad...

Oh well, if I can't get it then testogel is better than nothing at all and a 4 year waiting list.

Hmm... I know the levels can be peaky in some people but I'd think he wouldn't be that biased given the amount of people that are on it without issue.

Interesting comments he puts on medical records. More interesting that you'd be allowed to see them afterwards.

"Increased risk" of what I wonder?

Sustanon's pretty much the done thing over here too. I personally haven't found it like being on steroids, but then again I also stopped getting mood swings the day before the shot by the 3rd one.

Well, good luck with that endo, guys.

Sometimes I'm actually glad for the American "system." Every once in a freaking while. I knew from the start that my insurance excluded all things trans, so I had no choice but to go private and pay out of pocket--and I had the money, thank fortune. If I had been made to wait much longer, the outcome would have been disastrous.

I don't understand the aversion to Sustanon... and it's definitely not specific to Dr Curtis. I had to argue with my Endo to prescribe it to me. At the clinic I go to in Devon, it's the norm to prescribe everyone Nebido which is injected every 12 weeks and is a 4ml shot and HAS to be done by a nurse. I wanted control over my own dosing, since it's for life, so chose Sustanon. Had to full-on fight my corner though.

Quote from: Tay on April 15, 2010, 04:21:32 PM
I wanted control over my own dosing, since it's for life, so chose Sustanon. Had to full-on fight my corner though.

Maybe that's why. I've heard that some practitioners don't like their patients to self-inject; maybe the NHS has an aversion to this, too?

This is not inspiring confidence in someone still awaiting referral to GIC, not in the slightest

Meanwhile - slightly OT, but going back to Yorkshire - I'm getting pretty concerned about what lies in store for me at Leeds GIC. I've been trying to find some up-to-date information on things like waiting times and treatment of patients - articles dated late 2009 and early (March) 2010 are ringing major alarm bells, and I found something about proposals for reform to kick off in April. The question is, have they? I can't afford to go private, not unless I finally get a second job

Quote from: Nemo on April 15, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
This is not inspiring confidence in someone still awaiting referral to GIC, not in the slightest

Meanwhile - slightly OT, but going back to Yorkshire - I'm getting pretty concerned about what lies in store for me at Leeds GIC. I've been trying to find some up-to-date information on things like waiting times and treatment of patients - articles dated late 2009 and early (March) 2010 are ringing major alarm bells, and I found something about proposals for reform to kick off in April. The question is, have they? I can't afford to go private, not unless I finally get a second job

My friend would have been referred to Leeds if he wasn't going private and after researching it does state they've dropped the waiting time from 7 years to 2 years.
I know it's still a long wait but its better than 7 I suppose.

Quote from: Addison on April 15, 2010, 04:34:03 PM
My friend would have been referred to Leeds if he wasn't going private and after researching it does state they've dropped the waiting time from 7 years to 2 years.
I know it's still a long wait but its better than 7 I suppose.

Seven years? Two years? Sheez, I would have been dead by then. Or catatonic.

Quote from: Arch on April 15, 2010, 04:36:22 PM
Seven years? Two years? Sheez, I would have been dead by then. Or catatonic.

That's why I'm going private, can't stand waiting that long.

i'm just waiting for my psychiatrist to refer me to a GIC and to see which one it is before i decide whether to go private or not. Don't think the general election is going to help things cos anything could happen with funding after may 6th

Quote from: Addison on April 15, 2010, 04:39:23 PM
That's why I'm going private, can't stand waiting that long.

Last year, I made a remark like my previous one, something to the effect that I wouldn't have been able to hold out much longer. And someone trans said, "Of course you would. You would have held on for as long as it took."

Try twenty years, you ignorant little...well, I'll be polite.

No, there is a limit. Some of us repress and repress, and then we explode and need to transition NOW.

But according to her, we all hang on as long as we need to. I remember saying something like, "Yeah, absolutely. That's why there's never any suicide in the trans community."

I'm all for an intelligent system of socialized medicine, but I hate the way some countries manage trans clients. I suppose we in the U.S. will be facing that hurdle soon, if Obama's plan actually takes effect. It will be interesting, to say the least.

But seven years, or even two, to begin physically treating a frequently fatal condition. That's like putting out a bonfire with petrol.

Quote from: Arch on April 15, 2010, 04:50:47 PM
Last year, I made a remark like my previous one, something to the effect that I wouldn't have been able to hold out much longer. And someone trans said, "Of course you would. You would have held on for as long as it took."

Try twenty years, you ignorant little...well, I'll be polite.

No, there is a limit. Some of us repress and repress, and then we explode and need to transition NOW.

But according to her, we all hang on as long as we need to. I remember saying something like, "Yeah, absolutely. That's why there's never any suicide in the trans community."

I'm all for an intelligent system of socialized medicine, but I hate the way some countries manage trans clients. I suppose we in the U.S. will be facing that hurdle soon, if Obama's plan actually takes effect. It will be interesting, to say the least.

But seven years, or even two, to begin physically treating a frequently fatal condition. That's like putting out a bonfire with petrol.

Yeah that definitely wasn't the right thing for her to say.
I've waited so so long for this and to make me wait any longer is just awful.
It's took me 6 years to pluck up the courage to go to my GP, don't particularly want to wait another 7!

If it's 4-7 years for T I dread to think what the waiting list time is for top surgery.

Quote from: Addison on April 15, 2010, 04:34:03 PM
My friend would have been referred to Leeds if he wasn't going private and after researching it does state they've dropped the waiting time from 7 years to 2 years.
I know it's still a long wait but its better than 7 I suppose.

2 years?? I can't even wait 'til the end of this month, and that's for the psychiatrist's appointment! I'm not even gonna mention the 7... Oh well, better start praying/saving... I am no way waiting that long.

The only good thing I have recently, is that there happens to be a clinical psychologist experienced in gender issues going to my church. Had a word with one of my pastors today, partly to get to see this guy. Whether that'll have any bearing on my progress I don't know - it'll get my deed poll signed though, since the vicar in question won't sign it 'til I've seen him...

Quote from: Arch on April 15, 2010, 04:50:47 PM
No, there is a limit. Some of us repress and repress, and then we explode and need to transition NOW.

Yep - I've only been aware of this for a few months, but I'm already at that point now. ... Is that common?

On the sustanon issue I have no choice - I'm allergic to nuts so will have to have Nebido.

I'm more concerned about the Leeds GIC waiting list being 2 years as that's where I'm getting referred to. Their website states 18 weeks for the first appointment and then 3-6 months before prescribing T (assuming you are livign full time during that) which sounds pretty good considering. Is there anyway of finding out for certain as if it is two years I'll ask to be referred to Charing Cross instead?

Cheers

Quote from: Dan on April 15, 2010, 05:08:24 PM
On the sustanon issue I have no choice - I'm allergic to nuts so will have to have Nebido.

I'm more concerned about the Leeds GIC waiting list being 2 years as that's where I'm getting referred to. Their website states 18 weeks for the first appointment and then 3-6 months before prescribing T (assuming you are livign full time during that) which sounds pretty good considering. Is there anyway of finding out for certain as if it is two years I'll ask to be referred to Charing Cross instead?

Cheers

I'm only going off various peoples experience with waiting years for Leeds, & one article stating it's now 2 years & that was from 2008/9, maybe if you call the clinic they can tell you for sure?