I know what you mean. I also kind of used art as an escape, though, because I could draw myself however I wanted.

I have a DA, but if people want it they're gonna have to PM me.

before I knew I was trans.. I guess you could say i was a girl ->-bleeped-<-

I somehow felt connected to LGBT.. and so I figured I must have been a lesbian, but then that wasnt right lol.  And I lovd gay guys, and watching 2 guys together, and all that jaz... I was so confused as to why I liked that stuff.

Quote from: Elijah on May 04, 2010, 06:07:15 PM
before I knew I was trans.. I guess you could say i was a girl ->-bleeped-<-

I somehow felt connected to LGBT.. and so I figured I must have been a lesbian, but then that wasnt right lol.  And I lovd gay guys, and watching 2 guys together, and all that jaz... I was so confused as to why I liked that stuff.

Me too, and if I had read this thread when I was 16 or 17 I probably would be jumping up and down right now yelling "I'm a girl ->-bleeped-<-!".  But I'm not, or at least I know now that I'm not.

I've always had a weird attraction to gay men, even when I identified as a lesbian.  Funny thinking back that I never liked lesbians much even when I thought I was one.  Crazy.  I always thought the attraction was more of a shared experience thing.  I guess I just assumed that I must be a lesbian, because being with men as a woman turned me off.

I'm much happier now as a male-presenting androgyne who's mostly attracted to men. 

But back to the topic, I read a lot of slash fanfics, and its just recently made sense as to why I'm so into it.  I need to check out Y! I think...

// I normally hate twilight, but theres some really hot alternate universe Edward x Jasper slash...

Ha, that reminds me.  I had a boyfriend when I was about thirteen, and I desperately wanted him to identify as gay.  When he didn't, I realized I wasn't attracted to/couldn't be with him.  There was also the massive jealousy complex, but that was a big part of it, too.  How interesting. 

I don't like the term "girl ->-bleeped-<-", really.  There are women who happen to like two men together because they like men, as women (sort of like how straight guys like lesbians), and there are those that, like us, like gay men because we identify as one.

(I'm actually pansexual but, y'know).

oh boy...I probbaly would have thought...that sounds like me, if not for the body factor because although I have endless amounts of yaoi...sensitive pornograph ftw! I am and always will be a gay man. Not a woman who is just attracted to gay men. I will mention however before I knew what transgender was I crossplayed ( dressed up like a gay bishie)at Anime Cons and sold Art, and I always did guy/guy pairings. In fact there is a con this summer and my BF and I are going As if we need more gay manga.

Quote from: V on May 04, 2010, 06:36:06 PM
I don't like the term "girl ->-bleeped-<-", really.  There are women who happen to like two men together because they like men, as women (sort of like how straight guys like lesbians), and there are those that, like us, like gay men because we identify as one.

As I understand it, a girl->-bleeped-<- wants to be with a gay male, not see two gay males together.  Boydykes are the opposite (being a male and wanting to be with a lesbian, not see two lesbians together).

So it literally is them wanting to be a gay male.  Sounds like a gender identity issue, then, if it's not just fixation of some sort.  If it is an issue of gender identity, then I dislike the term even more so...

Quote from: kyle_lawrence on May 04, 2010, 06:29:13 PM

// I normally hate twilight, but theres some really hot alternate universe Edward x Jasper slash...

oh PLEASE send me a PM of that!

Quote from: Elijah on May 04, 2010, 07:44:33 PM
oh PLEASE send me a PM of that!

LOL someone likes his fanfiction XD

Quote from: GothTranzboi on May 04, 2010, 07:50:28 PM
LOL someone likes his fanfiction XD

of course! especially when it is sexy vampires..

I have to agree...all my vampires burn in the sun thank you. BUT I like guy on guy fanfics...so that part at least I relate to, even if I'm not a twilight kinda dude.

Quote from: V on May 04, 2010, 07:19:27 PM
So it literally is them wanting to be a gay male.  Sounds like a gender identity issue, then, if it's not just fixation of some sort.  If it is an issue of gender identity, then I dislike the term even more so...

I don't think it's a gender identity issue as much as a sexual orientation issue.  (I'm speaking to the definition, not to all persons who identify as girl->-bleeped-<-s).  Girl->-bleeped-<-s do not feel male or wish to transition.  They are women who, for whatever reason, are attracted to gay men.

It's a funny term, though I see it as... well you know, a genderqueer thing. There are women who are male-identified without wanting a male body, and men who are female-identified but are happy being in a male body. This seems to be a specific variant of that, a woman who is gay male-identified.

I can kind of get that, although it's difficult for me to really understand wanting to retain a female body.

Quote from: V on May 04, 2010, 07:19:27 PM
So it literally is them wanting to be a gay male.  Sounds like a gender identity issue, then, if it's not just fixation of some sort.  If it is an issue of gender identity, then I dislike the term even more so...

It's a gender identity issue, which differs somewhat from ours in that girl->-bleeped-<-s don't experience body dysphoria. If they did, they'd be trans.

Edward and Jasper?  Eww, insest.  Emmet and Jacob, otoh.    <-- that's my "village people gay guy cop emoticon".  Edwards too whiney and emo for me.  I'd be hanging with Emmet.

lol steals emoticon...YMCA......

I find this thread very interesting.  I probably would have identified as a girl->-bleeped-<- through my teens if I had known what one was.  Like many others here I started out with an interest in yaoi/slash/anime etc.  It took a lot of real life experimentation to realise that I identify as a gay male not just a female that has a sexual interest in men together.  I still write a lot of slash now but its all sci-fi and real people, gave up on anime a long time ago!  Interestingly I am now actually with a genderqueer woman who is equally mad on slash.  But I wouldn't call her a girl->-bleeped-<- either because she wants to partially transition and does have an extent of dysphoria about her female body.  It all makes odd-logic-sense in my own head anyway.  But for me personally, I couldn't identify as a girl->-bleeped-<- just because of the word 'girl'. 

Quote from: Alessandro on May 06, 2010, 06:02:27 AM
I find this thread very interesting.  I probably would have identified as a girl->-bleeped-<- through my teens. But for me personally, I couldn't identify as a girl->-bleeped-<- just because of the word 'girl'.

Thats pretty much how I feel. I think I also would have tried to use it to explain my situation. So in a way I'm glad I didn't know about it, because it may have led to denial about my being FTM. I'm glad I came out when I did.

So, are they not called "->-bleeped-<- Hags" anymore? 

->-bleeped-<- hags are the girls whose best friends are gay and who hangs out with them and such more then the hetero crowd. But they don't desire to be gay gay man, nor do they get off on the idea of being a gay man, with another man.