Quote from: Breastquest on May 05, 2010, 04:38:46 PMI also enjoy the lack of testosterone induced anger that dominated most of my younger years.

Which is funny because on T I've gotten less angry. Honestly, having been on both hormones(female puberty and now male puberty), the only real difference I could think of is how you experience it, but it doesn't seem to be more or less... unless you had excess testosterone for a male body. It's generally a myth.

Chances are you were just being a teenager.

I just said...whatever makes you happy. I'm not annoyed that you have chosen to do what you want. Again as I said previously it is your right. I don't care what you do with your life as it is not mine, and I nor anyone else has the right to tell you what to do.

I have no sensitivity in my chest. So I can't really relate to you there. But you also have to respect that it is difficult for us to be positive about. Furthermore, you asked our opinions on something we have lived with. You have not. Just because you don't like what we have to say doesn't make it any less true.

I don't think anyone is really flaming anyway.
I just think that perhaps coming to a forum of people who are tortured in the wrong body to say that you actually want part of that is something that we cannot relate to.

Quote from: Ryan on May 05, 2010, 04:45:22 PM
I don't think anyone is really flaming anyway.
I just think that perhaps coming to a forum of people who are tortured in the wrong body to say that you actually want part of that is something that we cannot relate to.

Agreed.

I have fibrous breasts. This means that, particularly before I was on T, they hurt about 50% of the time, whether or not they were being touched. Now that I'm on T and have been binding for about four years, they're broken down to the point that most of the pain is gone. Now I can't wait to rid myself of what's left. They started growing when I was 8, and were a constant source of trouble from then on.

Still, I'll reiterate what others have said: I'm a man. Men don't have breasts. I dig breasts on my girlfriend... but she's supposed to have them.

SD

We're not flaming you. You asked about our experience. We answered. We (all of us, uniformly) hate the things.

I didn't come here for a positive response. I came here because this is where I knew I could find the highest concentration of people with breasts that they don't like or even hate. Hearing what you guys have to say means a lot, it may help me with my decision to continue on my path.

Quote from: Breastquest on May 05, 2010, 04:38:46 PM
The fact that I only want breasts shouldn't be an issue, just having female breasts is enough to be outted as a MTF.

opinion ahead

trans woman are women, you've self identified as male. that alone sends a red flag for me because it indicates more then identity as work, fetish perhaps. I would not recommend hormone therapy for an issue of sexuality.

QuoteI come here for advice to aid me in my quest, not to judge or be judged.

your replies aren't helping

Firstly, know that developing them as an adult male as a choice is going to be a drastically different experience from what a confused 10 or 11 year old boy developing into a woman against his will goes through. For the latter, no sooner than you start noticing them on women, you notice that you are growing them too. This really ->-bleeped-<-s with your emerging sexuality. Things get confused,  ->-bleeped-<-c elements may develop for some.

Secondly, the fascination is fleeting. There may be a bizarre sexual kick of imagining yourself as a woman and wearing those parts for a few minutes. But sex doesn't last that long. The other 23 hours and 55 minutes of the day are torture.
I suppose I could have kept them around for those few minutes of pleasure here and there, but I didn't. Trust me, it gets old. Invest in some breast forms or fill up some water balloons.

Quote from: Breastquest on May 05, 2010, 01:17:51 PMAlthough I can understand partially why you would want to have your breasts removed as they soundly identify you as a female, what other reasons are there for wanting them removed? Are they a burden? Do they hurt? Are you ashamed of them?

I'm going to give you the benifit of the doubt and assume you're just ignorant.

while I like them on other chicks...

They are
1. in the way
2. an extra 10-15lb of excess fat + unneeded tissue
3. and people stare at them 

Top 3 anyway

I'm really confused at your post though... if you devlope breasts (or get implants) they're more or less perminant. Why not get fake boobs that come off when you're done?

To be honest, I'm not sure why we all seem to be trying to convince this guy not to do it.
If he wants to do it, let him. But I don't think any of us would be surprised if he soon realised that it was the wrong decision. And if that happens, we shall all sit back and laugh.

Quote from: Ryan on May 05, 2010, 03:51:40 PM
Tits are great. I freaking love tits. Just not on me.

This.

Quote from: Lachlann on May 05, 2010, 04:44:25 PM
Which is funny because on T I've gotten less angry. Honestly, having been on both hormones(female puberty and now male puberty), the only real difference I could think of is how you experience it, but it doesn't seem to be more or less... unless you had excess testosterone for a male body. It's generally a myth.

Chances are you were just being a teenager.

I just wanted to build on this, because I feel like there's a misconception about testosterone that causes a lot of icky stereotyping. I've also heard that a lot of trans men have the same experience as you-- that they actually get calmer on T.

But anyway, I read a paper a while back (I can probably find it if anyone's interested) that looked at aggression in a species of monkey and testosterone and serotonin levels (serotonin is a neurotransmitter that is associated with a lot of things, including mood regulation). It turned out that it wasn't T that made certain male monkeys violent; it was the combination of T and low serotonin levels. The male monkeys with high testosterone and high serotonin were assertive but calm and generally not violent.

So yeah, testosterone doesn't cause aggression. The combination of high testosterone (assertiveness) and low serotonin (more risk-taking, poor executive function, unhappiness) is related to aggression.

I think there were other studies that showed similar findings in humans but I'd have to look that up.

I'll just kind of repeat what everyone else has said I guess mostly because I really don't get the point of this thread.

I like tits on my girlfriend, love them actually. They are very attractive on people who are supposed to have them. I am a man who would, not to be conceited but, be pretty damn attractive, if it weren't for the 2 tumors growing on my chest.

They get hot and sweaty. Now mine have sufficiently shrunk and flattened from T and binding that they do not really get in the way anymore but at one point they did.

Also, like most other transguys, I have found that I am much calmer on T. Testosterone does not inherently make you angry, having things to be angry about makes you angry.

Sigh...what baffles me is why he would come here...I think he would have gotten better understanding in MTF circles. There are certainly some trans ladies that have had breasts longer then myself.

Quote from: Breastquest on May 05, 2010, 02:31:15 PM
Asking a MTF about having breasts is like asking a freshman "how was college?" I get a lot of "if's & maybes".

I don't really understand what you mean by this.

I appreciate where you're coming from, but I don't fully get why you're not asking MTFs. FTMs will have an overwhelming tendency to hate these body parts no matter what. When we talk about the things we dislike about the parts, we inevitably filter some or all of that through our gender identity lens. So, for example, one complaint here is that moobs are heavy. Another is that we dislike the way these appendages move against our body. Still another is that the nipples are too sensitive. Well, I've talked to a couple of MTFs who have said things like, "I love having this weight on my chest...I love the way my breasts move with my body. It feels right." And "My nipples are becoming more sensitive! Sometimes they hurt, but how wonderful!" And so on. So it seems to me that if you want these parts but want to know about the down side of them, consulting someone who hates them like poison might not give you a particularly useful insight into what it might be like for YOU to have these parts. Maybe you should take what we say and reduce the negativity by ninety percent or something.

I dunno. Just my two cents' worth.

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Quote from: Lachlann on May 05, 2010, 04:44:25 PM
Which is funny because on T I've gotten less angry. Honestly, having been on both hormones(female puberty and now male puberty), the only real difference I could think of is how you experience it, but it doesn't seem to be more or less... unless you had excess testosterone for a male body. It's generally a myth.

I'm not more angry on T, but I have a lot more trouble controlling my anger and not acting on it. I've always been a very, um, well-behaved person. I'm still well-behaved, I guess, but sometimes I blurt things out when I'm pissed, and I have an awful time not getting in people's faces when they are being idiots.

you said it better then I did arch.

Quote from: Arch on May 05, 2010, 09:42:21 PMI'm not more angry on T, but I have a lot more trouble controlling my anger and not acting on it. I've always been a very, um, well-behaved person. I'm still well-behaved, I guess, but sometimes I blurt things out when I'm pissed, and I have an awful time not getting in people's faces when they are being idiots.

Exact opposite effect for me. Pre-T I had trouble controlling my anger and not acting on it, now I have like 99% control over it.

Quote from: brainiac on May 05, 2010, 08:50:54 PM
But anyway, I read a paper a while back (I can probably find it if anyone's interested) that looked at aggression in a species of monkey and testosterone and serotonin levels (serotonin is a neurotransmitter that is associated with a lot of things, including mood regulation). It turned out that it wasn't T that made certain male monkeys violent; it was the combination of T and low serotonin levels. The male monkeys with high testosterone and high serotonin were assertive but calm and generally not violent.

So yeah, testosterone doesn't cause aggression. The combination of high testosterone (assertiveness) and low serotonin (more risk-taking, poor executive function, unhappiness) is related to aggression.

I would love to read anything you have found on the subject. But I feel the need to point out that there is a big difference between aggressiveness and violent aggression. (I'm not implying that you are mixing the two up; I just run into a lot of people, particularly trans guys, who do.)

I hate to see aggression getting a bad rap when it can be beneficial. I'm not a doormat anymore, and I like that. I'm more apt to speak my mind, and I like that, too. I'm sexually more aggressive. I'm more apt to challenge someone who I think is wrong, even if I'm not one hundred percent sure. I can't definitively claim that HRT is responsible, but if T really IS making me a bit more aggressive, it's almost all to the good. The rest (controlling my occasional fits of temper, for example) just requires a learning curve, as with just about anything new.

I've had a number of experiences with trans guys who have become very aggressive about claiming that they are not aggressive on T. It's actually comical. I can see that they are behaving aggressively; I can't tell whether there has been an increase. But I think that they automatically equate aggression with violence. My response to them is, "Why knock aggression? What's wrong with a certain degree of aggressiveness? As long as you're not hurting people or being obnoxious, nothing at all."

And now back to our regularly scheduled program...what FTMs hate about freakbags.

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Quote from: GothTranzboi on May 05, 2010, 09:50:01 PM
you said it better then I did arch.

Ah, but you're so much more concise.

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Quote from: Lachlann on May 05, 2010, 10:09:20 PM
Exact opposite effect for me. Pre-T I had trouble controlling my anger and not acting on it, now I have like 99% control over it.

To be fair, I am considerably older than you are, and I am still working through a lot of my issues. Before I came fully out of the closet, I struggled with knowledge of my transness for about as long as you've been alive. I expect to be much more settled in a year or two, after I've made more progress.

Not to mention that I do have moderate depression, so my serotonin levels could very well be a factor. Brainiac, I hope you can send me a link to that study!!!

Lol, well I'm not speaking strictly about violence either. I'm actually less inclined to pick fights verbally, get into debate or challenge people nearly as much as I used to. When I debate with someone now, I have a lot more restraint even though I'm feeling the same amount of emotion as I did before, I feel like there is a lot more control. I feel like I have less to prove, therefore I don't feel the need to have pissing contests as much as I used to. I also find it easier to let things go and ignorant people bother me less. In a sense I simply don't waste my time and energy anymore. I've become a lot more passive, but again, I don't think my emotions have decreased or increased, just the ability to control them.

There's nothing wrong with aggression, as long as it's used wisely, I agree... however, women are assertive as well, and it usually stems from having confidence in yourself. I'd wager it's confidence that's doing it, not a hormone. Short man syndrome, maybe?

The whole testosterone vs serotonin levels is interesting as well. I've been feeling quite unhappy for a while now, but I'm not anymore violent either. I guess it would also depend on how you react on an individual level. Anecdotal evidence isn't always correct either... hmmm.