It would be helpful to know what depth is possible to achieve through the surgery itself and post op care. Afterwards can you increase it or only maintain? It seems like such an unknown to us going into the surgery. When I and another petite girl asked Dr. Brassard, he says well you are small girls both in frame and size, so that will affect the depth. During the consultation he told me I could expect around 5" or so.

Looking at my dilator markings today measuring from the top down, I visually translated my length to be currently 5" with 5 1/2" to nearly 6" when measuring from the side of the labia.

Here are some questions for possible discussion:

1) What are the factors that will determine your vaginal depth?

2) Does depth change over time?

3) If it changes, does it increase or decrease?

4) Does dilation schedule or technique affect it?

5) What is the best way to measure depth/length?

6) How important is it to you?

Note: One very tall girl (over 6'5") who was my hospital roommate having surgery the same week as I, reported depth well over 6". She was able to surpass all the dilator markings. And she says she had a very small penis to work with. She was very happy with her result. That makes me think that pelvis size is a factor ...i.e. how much area there is between the bladder and rectum. She thinks her skin was able to stretch much further than her penis size.

Quote from: Valeriedances on May 06, 2010, 11:09:26 AM


4) Does dilation schedule or technique affect it?

My guess is dilation period will affect depth which is why every surgeon is adamant about it

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6) How important is it to you?

Depth is important to me even though I'm not really interested in pursuing a relationship of any sort.  I would be happy with 5-6 inches and I would work diligently to maintain it just in case.

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Note: One very tall girl (over 6'5") who was my hospital roommate having surgery the same week as I, reported depth well over 6". She was able to surpass all the dilator markings. And she says she had a very small penis to work with. She was very happy with her result. That makes me think that pelvis size is a factor ...i.e. how much area there is between the bladder and rectum. She thinks her skin was able to stretch much further than her penis size.

Pelvis size is definitely a factor.  I recall reading of a unique case where a surgeon was unable to construct a neo-vagina due to the patients pelvis being far too narrow--an absolute first in the history of srs

1. How much raw material you had to start with.
2. How elastic your skin is (my inital bits were TINY but luckily I had exceptionally elastic skin).
3. How good your surgeon is/was.
4. How diligently you dilate.

Anything over 5 1/2 inches is considered good.

As I can lose the entire dilator up to the hilt so that it is difficult to grip and pull out I conclude that I have rather more than that probably around 7  to 7 1/2 inches.

Is it important?

Well as most men would require a depth of at least 5 inches to avoid "bottoming out" 5 1/2 inches is the magic figure if you want to have heterosexual sex without any difficulties - so yes it's important to that extent. The extra inches are actally a liability - they make dilation more tricky, the top of the vagina becomes impossible to probe with the finger to check for any problems - and it makes hygine more important. Also you need a big man to please you!

Adequate girth is probably just as important though.

How difficult is it to maintain - just have a regular sex life and dilate about once a week to make sure - 26 years - no loss of depth.

Quote from: Valeriedances on May 06, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
How tall are you Jenny? do you think your frame was a factor in achieving such a wonderful depth? Yaay for elastic skin. I'm guessing having surgery at such a young age helped there. For me, my poor old skin has challenges now, heh.

Going to the end of the dilator, wow, amazing.

Not really - as I say it's actually a bit of a liability. And like an idiot I lived for 26 years with a result that cosmetically looked a bit like a nasty accident in a butchers shop - because he used so much time and material creating all that depth that my labia and other bits were incredibly basic. Fortunately the surgeon who did my revision managed to rectify matters pretty well by borrowing material from the wider groin area.

I'm just under 5 foot 8 inches in my stockings. I do have a fairly wide and deep pelvis but I read somewhere that there is a fixed size sack of space inside the body where the surgeon can locate the vaginal canal so I guess mine was just big.

I don't think frame per-se is the factor - its rather more a case of how your guts are arranged internally because obviously they can't get too close to the intestines for risk of a fistula.

I know when I was healing the one big problem I had was that for about three months I had agonising pain about 20 or 30 minutes before having to pass a "number 2" My doctor said it might be indicative that there was some internal adhesion but luckily it settled down.

Bottom line is if you have anything over 5 inches don't worry - the average man is not much more that 8 inches when errect and you lose 3 inches in the space between the two bodies - so 5 inches or above is pretty safe.

Quotec. Surgical technique

probably just a note on my part since I'll be stuck with whatever I get (average to less working materials) and I'm a med student, is the way it's done.

a straight inversion (like in this old bellringer pic) will make less with the same materials


while suporn can get more with the same (since less material goes the way of the biohazard bag)

supposedly dilation will gain a little bit, but probably from what the material can stretch to rather then magic gains.

from other threads I think the only real gains/losses are dilation related.

not that I care about depth, but i'll be measuring by grasping the stent at the furthest point in, and measuring the stent from tip to thumb (using a construction tape measure).

It would seem to have a lot to do with one's internal structure more than anything else.

I have had 4 to 5" for 36 years (starting with VERY minimal material!) It increases slightly with vigorous sexual activity but not much. Since my current boyfriend is .... shall we say .... "above average" I talked to Montreal about improving depth and was told there isn't much they can do since the maximum normally attainable by surgery is about 5".

That's what they told me and I assume they know more than I do.

In discussing "depth" with GG's on-line, the general suggestions seemed to be practice and find a different position.

Quote from: Northern Jane on May 06, 2010, 04:56:46 PM
It would seem to have a lot to do with one's internal structure more than anything else.

I have had 4 to 5" for 36 years (starting with VERY minimal material!) It increases slightly with vigorous sexual activity but not much. Since my current boyfriend is .... shall we say .... "above average" I talked to Montreal about improving depth and was told there isn't much they can do since the maximum normally attainable by surgery is about 5".

That's what they told me and I assume they know more than I do.

In discussing "depth" with GG's on-line, the general suggestions seemed to be practice and find a different position.

I'm just 'curious' but when ur intimate with him does he have problems I guess 'inside'? sorry for be personal.

Quote from: Northern Jane on May 06, 2010, 04:56:46 PM
I talked to Montreal about improving depth and was told there isn't much they can do since the maximum normally attainable by surgery is about 5".

That's what they told me and I assume they know more than I do.

I would seriously talk to them again - sadly I can't post photos as they would be seriously indecent but a dilator is about 8 inches long and I can lose pretty well ALL of it - honestly I am NOT exagerating here - with a bit of effort the maximum diameter dilator goes in to within a finger width (about 1 centimeter or less) of the very end. So much so that on occasion when it has been covered with lube I have had difficulty pulling it out.

I am living proof that more than 5 inches IS possible and I can absolutely prove it photographically (in private) if required.

I'm sooo slow lol. How do you know how much depth you have? are there like numbers on the dilator? haha 

Quote from: MsGiselle on May 06, 2010, 05:59:57 PM
I'm sooo slow lol. How do you know how much depth you have? are there like numbers on the dilator? haha 

to be honest I'm not sure. I've seen straight stents with depth markings and one with nothing. mine has dimples and nothing more to indicate size.

I'll measure and edit this post.

edit:
soulsource stent set
#1 about 8.5" long, markings per half inch starting at 3.75" to 5.75"
#2 is same as #1 but wider
#3 is oddly 1/4 inch shorter overall with the same markings as #1
#4 is "normal" size, same markings

Basically you mark the point at which the dilator protrudes - you then measure the overall length of the dilator and measure the distance that is protruding subtracting it from the overall length.

What remains is the depth of the vagina. As flan says most dilators are about 8 inches long. so if you have a half inch left protruding that implies a depth of seven and a hlaf inches. Simple.

Quote from: Valeriedances on May 07, 2010, 12:30:00 AM
Well, 'enamored' is definitely not how I feel about it. It's a bloody, painful mess still is what it is, pretty much an open wound. I've lost 1/2" or more since the start of dilation, hence the simple question. Unfortunately, the nurses did not go over it well enough.

Which I think you will find comes back when everything ceases to be swollen. Just keep dilating...

I found that it all "constricted" and tightened inside at one point and then one day, almost overnight, suddenly it loosened up.

As to where you measure from I don't know the answer. I measure from the top.

I return however to my original point which is that anything over 5.5 inches is pretty much irrelevant as most men will never need it.

Quote from: MsGiselle on May 06, 2010, 05:03:56 PM
I'm just 'curious' but when ur intimate with him does he have problems I guess 'inside'? sorry for be personal.

No problem. He is a bit over 8" so he "hits bottom" in some positions and he can feel it. Lacking the elasticity of a GG, that's as far as she goes.

Never thought of including a length limit on my "must have" dating list LOL! It has never been a problem before. 

Quote from: Northern Jane on May 07, 2010, 04:35:29 AM
No problem. He is a bit over 8" so he "hits bottom" in some positions and he can feel it. Lacking the elasticity of a GG, that's as far as she goes.

Never thought of including a length limit on my "must have" dating list LOL! It has never been a problem before. 

I'm very curious as well. Is this painful for you or him hitting bottom? Does it happen every time or only occasionally.
My cousin is a GG and she says that she has had guys bottom out on her.

Quote from: rejennyrated on May 06, 2010, 06:39:19 PM
Basically you mark the point at which the dilator protrudes - you then measure the overall length of the dilator and measure the distance that is protruding subtracting it from the overall length.

What remains is the depth of the vagina. As flan says most dilators are about 8 inches long. so if you have a half inch left protruding that implies a depth of seven and a hlaf inches. Simple.

Okay gotcha thank you..

I would say that I'm about 5". I've never had a problem, and I've been with a few guys who were bigger. It doesn't hurt me when they bottom out (did at first, but after I got used to it and liked it). A lot depends on the position your in. It happens to GG's too.

That's what I kept trying to tell you. I don't know why mine is so far off the norm - but it really doesn't carry any advantage.

Glad you feel reassured now.

1) http://ts-si.org/files/FeminizingGenitoplastyInAdultTranssexualsEarlyAnd.pdf

2) http://www.springerlink.com/content/5f0drrqq7lt13llu/

I am 5' 9" and, according to my second wife, had smallish-normal male equipment (she had lots of experience to compare it to), but I think she may have meant girth rather than length. 

I started out with about 6½" and am now down to about 6".  (I can usually barely see the top dot on the Soul Source dilator when I use a mirror and flashlight, looking along the top of the dilator into my vagina.)   Bowers claims that you can never get more and can get less depth through neglect.  I think that I lost the ½" on the trip home when I didn't dilate mid-day.

One of my surgery partners was a tiny woman (size 0 dress).  She said she started with only 4".

According to several of my GG friends, penis girth is far more important than length.  If all that stuff down there ever stops being sore, and I can find a cute, clean man who is attracted to older, slightly masculine women, I'll let you know.

- Kate

Soon size #10 will be wanted