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Started by Pica Pica, April 13, 2010, 05:20:44 AM

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justmeinoz

I always thought Kevin Rudd looked like the character 'Butters' from South Park! :laugh:

"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Pica Pica

It wasn't till i put me cross that I realised there was a BNP candidate in my area.

Post Merge: May 06, 2010, 01:57:42 PM

Hear of the BNP guy who had a fight with the asian boys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkfRX4BEF6o&feature=related#
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 06, 2010, 12:59:55 PM
It wasn't till i put me cross that I realised there was a BNP candidate in my area.
That street looks strangely familiar - I would guess it's in a part of west London that I know very well indeed.

It looks as if we have a well hung parliament this morning. The only question being whether clegg will do a deal with Brown or Cameron... either way things are going to be different and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we get another election within 12 months!
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Cindy

Quote from: rejennyrated on May 07, 2010, 02:57:54 AM
That street looks strangely familiar - I would guess it's in a part of west London that I know very well indeed.

It looks as if we have a well hung parliament this morning. The only question being whether clegg will do a deal with Brown or Cameron... either way things are going to be different and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we get another election within 12 months!

Mmm a well hung parliament, is that what you get from a general erection?

Cindy
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LordKAT

Quote from: CindyJames on May 07, 2010, 03:35:40 AM
Mmm a well hung parliament, is that what you get from a general erection?

Cindy

Girl, You always make me laugh.
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Cindy

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rejennyrated

Quote from: CindyJames on May 07, 2010, 03:35:40 AM
Mmm a well hung parliament, is that what you get from a general erection?

Cindy
The way I see it a well hung parliament can either well and truly screw you or it can put a smile on your face depending on your (political) orientation. ;D
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Cindy

Any idea what the outcome will be? Presumably a coalition? The UK hasn't had one of them for   ??? ages?

Cindy
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rejennyrated

Quote from the BBC's political editor "With these figures, the ONLY possible stable political outcome would be an alliance between the conservatives and the Lib Dems. No other combination can gain an overall majority"

Trouble is such an alliance is HIGHLY unlikely to work. So my guess would be an interim governement with a very limited agenda leading to a new election within 12 months.
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Cindy

I got the impression that the Lib Dems did worse than they expected? Is the traditional voting patterns coming through?

Cindy
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Al James

Although a lot of people agree with the lib dems;when it comes to the actual vote they don't believe the lib dems will get enough of a vote to change anything so they go back to voting tory or lab. And then we end up with the mess we have now. Conservatives got over 2 million votes more than labour but labour still get to try and make the first government
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Cindy

Hi Al
But is it law in the UK that the sitting side has first choice? It will be interesting to me if the monarchy has to decide who is the ruling government. I think it was the last Charles who (don't remember my UK history ::)) who precipitated a civil war.
::) the latest Charles appears to be as intelligent as the last.

Sounds fun
Cindy

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rejennyrated

Quote from: CindyJames on May 07, 2010, 05:14:52 AM
Hi Al
But is it law in the UK that the sitting side has first choice? It will be interesting to me if the monarchy has to decide who is the ruling government. I think it was the last Charles who (don't remember my UK history ::)) who precipitated a civil war.
::) the latest Charles appears to be as intelligent as the last.

Sounds fun
Cindy
Hey don't you go dissing my mate Charles Duke of Cornwall.

Actually in all seriousness he is a much maligned and underestimated man - who like Edward 7th suffers from being considerably overshadowed by others around him.
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justmeinoz

Someone was on the radio here this morning trying to make out he knew what was going on and said that it is a convention that the incumbent gets first go to form a coalition, unless they want to try and rule as a minority Govt.
Sounds like it will keep the TV and press experts busy for a while.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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FairyGirl

Quote from: justmeinoz on April 24, 2010, 10:17:23 PM
I should have realised that American's don't get our ironic/laconic humour.  ::)

I was just thinking that if this had been a thread about American politics it would have been much different :icon_punch:
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spacial

Quote from: CindyJames on May 07, 2010, 05:14:52 AM
Hi Al
But is it law in the UK that the sitting side has first choice? It will be interesting to me if the monarchy has to decide who is the ruling government. I think it was the last Charles who (don't remember my UK history ::)) who precipitated a civil war.
::) the latest Charles appears to be as intelligent as the last.

Sounds fun
Cindy

The UK government is built on a number of ancient traditions, which have evolved over the years.

The government is, technically run by the monarch. The monarch appoints ministers to advise her and act on her behalf.

Because of a settlement which started with King John in the 12th century and confirmed later, before the monarch can raise any taxes, she must get the conscent of those that pay them. Parliment.

The ministers, acting on behalf of the monarch, need to deal with Parliment to get its agreement.

Parliment is an elected house made up of those that pay taxes, so, when a new Parliment is electd, the monarch will appoint ministers who can command most support in the new Parliment.

By a settlement in the 18th century, when the monarch was a German who spoke little English and had little knowledge of English traditions, the ministers, after being appointed, generally run the affairs of state. They consult the monarch, telling her what they intend. But the monarch, generally, doesn't interfere. In exchange, the ministers ensure that the monarch and her family are provided for financially and are given sufficient protection.

But the ministers are crown appointees. By custom, the Prime Minister is a member of Parliment, but there is no specific constitutional reason for him to be. There have been Prime Ministers who were members of the House of Lords.

More-over, other ministers tend to be members of Parliment, but often there will be several who are members of the house of Lords. By convention, ministers will always be members of one or other house, but technically, there is no reason, other than that non-members will have difficulity in accessing the house to do their work.

When a general election is called, all MPs stop being MPs and become ordinary citizens. But the ministers are crown appointees. Those that are MPs will stop being MPs, but still be ministers.

All the government ministers will remain in office until they resign. If the Prime Minister and therefore the other ministers cannot command support of the majority of the house of commons, they will resign. When that happens, the monarch will ask whoever can command the support of the majority of the commons to become Prime Minister and for their government.

Until 1963, Tory Prime ministers were chosen by the monarch. The last of these was Douglas Home. Labour Prime Ministers are always whoever has been elected by the party to be the leader of the party.



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Pica Pica

Quote from: CindyJames on May 07, 2010, 05:14:52 AM
Hi Al
But is it law in the UK that the sitting side has first choice? It will be interesting to me if the monarchy has to decide who is the ruling government. I think it was the last Charles who (don't remember my UK history ::)) who precipitated a civil war.
::) the latest Charles appears to be as intelligent as the last.

Sounds fun
Cindy



It was the Charles before last (the first) who started the civil war - a lot of our current political systems that make use of a restricted monarchy have there roots in the relationships stem from the relationship with parliament and his son Charles (the second) who was invited back on limited terms by General Monck in 1660 after nine or so years of Cromwell and Proctectorship.

As for prince Charles, he's stood me up twice now.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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justmeinoz

"Clegg" sounds like a medical condition!!  "I'm sorry Mr Brown but you have developed a bad dose of Clegg!"

By the time the dust settles in the UK we will be heading for a Federal election here, as well as Victoria having a State election. 

The dollars are already being thrown in all directions, although the Federal Labour Govt keep having things blow up in their faces. Kevin Rudd as PM appears to be doing a Gordon Brown impersonation and is becoming as popular as a blow-fly around a BBQ.

People are noticing he is highly visible when there is an announcement of a program or project, but always trots out a Minister when there is bad news to be delivered.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Cindy

Quote from: justmeinoz on May 08, 2010, 02:34:11 AM
"Clegg" sounds like a medical condition!!  "I'm sorry Mr Brown but you have developed a bad dose of Clegg!"

By the time the dust settles in the UK we will be heading for a Federal election here, as well as Victoria having a State election. 

The dollars are already being thrown in all directions, although the Federal Labour Govt keep having things blow up in their faces. Kevin Rudd as PM appears to be doing a Gordon Brown impersonation and is becoming as popular as a blow-fly around a BBQ.

People are noticing he is highly visible when there is an announcement of a program or project, but always trots out a Minister when there is bad news to be delivered.

Absolute the truth girl.

But Tony Abbot in speedos is still something I need to get over :laugh:

Then kevin in speedos would be a brown paper bag job :laugh:

Cindy
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justmeinoz

Maybe Tony is discreetly going for the Gay vote!
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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