For those who like internet informations and descriptions, a good place to start, and this particular page talks a little about why some of us older folks are the way we are, but there is much to explore.  If you want to get really real, there are better sites, but afraid to start to much of a ruckus here with them as they would totally contradict the TG point of view.  At the bottom of the page you will find a link to TERMS if you like.

  http://www.butch-femme.com/Faq/whoarewe.htm

Be wary though, different locals and communities and sub cultures within communities can be vastly different from generalisations.

Terri

Interesting.
Thank you for the link Terri.

                        what i heard long ago was the  the term "stone" was derived from the general term "stone cold" and refered to those queer women that did not want to be touched by their partners. the term is old school but people still exist who feel this way, just as Dennis has described. my point was that every couple comes to their own terms as to what they will engage in sex wise. many hetro couples just do certain things, use certain parts and never others, same with gay men etc. this term has nothing to do with me, i just used it to illustrate that there is no prescribed sexual act that is necessary to define hetro, gay or lesbian sex in my opinion. i am not going to label someone who is "stone" a non lesbian, a non practicing lesbian (though i'm sure they don't have to practice any more  ) or say they do not engage in lesbian sex.

beth

QuoteThank you for the link Terri.

You may have noticed that this particular site is also a forum, such as this one, by and for Lesbians, that particular page was simply an info page.  I just thought it was fair as Beth brought up the issue of "Stone" and that particular forum has a large Stone representation. There are many such.  There is TG/TS respresentation in such forums, perhaps it might be helpful to explore some of the views there and in other such forums, but depending on your sensitivity, careful which ones.  There are many places where the women are not into modern PC at all, by any means.  though there are many that are.

Terri

Oh Oh.  If her gender wasn't female I wouldn't be attracted to her no matter what physical bits this person had.  Lesbianism has everything to do with gender, attraction or not. 

Lesbian bed death is a joke and the truth.  So if two women who have been together for years and no longer have sex they arn't lesbians?  Dam I better tell K & D that after 37 years they are kicked out of the club.

Heterosexuality is merely a form of sexual attraction nothing more

Ask your parents if this statement is true.

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Why segregate each other on the basis of gender or sexual orientation? We are all one big happy family, no?

We who?  Society? Susan's?




Posted at: August 18, 2005, 11:00:56 PM

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Exactley who is this mythical us?

Not once ever has there been an "us".  Every person has their own agenda and aligns themselves with a particular group/s that are as close as possible to their own thoughts and beliefs.

My "us" is other women.

its a lot deeper then what you call it and just not that simple, just let it pass till you understand more, it has to do with unbreakable bonds and beliefs which are deeper then you could know in many cases.  A total and unshakable way of life and living.  You don't have to understand it, Just respect it.

Terri

To learn is to grow and change.

I really like DebTV's comment

....Many men say they are "lesbians trapped in a man's body". I hear it alot from other men. I tell them I'm a transvesbian but, I also have an up on them because I dress the part too....

Transvesbian is a very good description of who I am.  Thanks for the idea.

AnneW

I thought a lesbian is what I was but the more I examined my feelings the more I realised that I am heterosexual. The reason lesbian thoughts came for me is that I feel the most comfortable with women. I love the conversations,the topics,the attitude and the acceptance. I especially love the physical contact and the hugs. I don't believe that men are capable of that kind of intimacy.  However when I have vagina I now feel I want sex with a man. I now feel like I understand my sexual feelings clearer than at any other time in my life.

Quote from: Leigh on August 10, 2005, 04:51:21 PM
My definition of TS.  If you have one of those *things*, like *it*, never want to get rid of *it* and enjoy using *it* you dam sure are not TS or any kind.

Leigh

I know... old thread....but very, very, very, very, very, true!!!!!!

Atta girl!   



tinkerbell

P.S.  why are these important threads getting all dusty?  probably we're just paying way too much attention to our daily activities that we've forgotten to look at more interesting things...

I see there have been some strong opinions expressed here, so don't hate me for bumping this one...

First of all, glad to see I'm not the only one who identifies so much with lesbians. Even as a preteen I felt this way, although I didn't really know very much about the community back then so didn't understand what it was that I was feeling.

Someone said that if an M2F cannot be called a lesbian then she cannot be called a woman. Very true! We're all what we are, not what we have. Just like I'm human and even if I had green skin and a face like Cthulhu I'd still be human.

So, a person can be heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. Well what about those of us who are in between? I've called myself bi for a while now, but am not sure it fits me that well, as I'm nowheres near 50/50 and a big part of me identifies as lesbian. But I have been known to like men too (e.g. my perpetual crush on Jimmy Fallon) and once post-op, I'd definitely want to have a hetero experience to see what it's like. I just am not attracted to nearly as many men as women.

More and more it seems to me that the thought of being close with another woman is soooo much more appealing than being with a man. So there's 2 reasons why I'm inclined to apply the label of Lesbian to myself. Right now, for the time being I've settled on: Am I primarily? Yes. Am I exclusively? No.

Which has led me to wonder, is someone who strongly prefers one gender to the other still bi? Does a person really have to be a Kinsey 6 to call themselves homosexual, or are the 5s allowed into the club too? How about the 4s?

I've never had much interest in men.  There's a curiosity of what post op sex would be like with a man but that's where it ends.  But women?  There's something about women that I love!  Or should I say so much about women I love that I can't list everything?  And to me a woman is defined by what's inside.

It's been almost a year since I stopped living in denial.  Little by little I have come to an understanding about why I wasn't like other guys.  When I saw boys react to girls in their typical ways I wondered why I just wanted to hang out with them and not make out with them (although making out wasn't out of the question).  As I grew older and heard my friends talk about girls I couldn't relate.  I so badly missed female companionship it was often mistaken for being obsessed with girls.  My friends thought I was nuts.  I now see I just needed to be one of the girls.  Many times while married I didn't understand why doing those gentlemanly things didn't come natural.  I had to think about it and remind myself to act like a gentleman.  And when I watched the dads at my son's wrestling events I wondered why I didn't want to be there with them laughing and being all manly. 

Now I know.  All along there was a girl/woman inside that I was denying the opportunity to be herself.  I never had a chance at being a normal guy.

i am a lesbian an i love myself and so i love others like me who live full time as women. They can be butch femme pre or non or post but i still wait for true love and won't settle for intimacy without a feeling of love. So i have been single since i had my surgery in 98. Its ok but it could be more


PS: I am visitng Phila Pa right now and not sure where i will go next.. keep me in your prayers.. hugs love Danielle