I've always thought that MTFs are a lot prettier than biological girls. I mean, obviously some girls are prettier than others, that's just how life works. It just seems to me that MTFs have this sort of internal beauty that radiates from them, making them more attractive... I've also found that I find trans supermodels way more attractive than biologically female models..

Is it just me? My best friend seems to disagree with me, but he's asexual so I wonder what it is that makes me feel this way.

It really annoys me when I hear people saying negative things about MTFs, or pick on someone for not passing well enough, because I just don't get why people don't see whatever it is I'm seeing.

Does anyone else feel the same way?

I agree with the part about other people not seeing the way that I do but trans or not is not the issue with me.

I don't know, MTFs are just women to me as far as that goes.

Quote from: SilverFang on May 09, 2010, 04:46:17 AM
I don't know, MTFs are just women to me as far as that goes.

Agreed, i tend to find it difficult to picture who they were before when their talking about the past.

I agree that (postop for me) MtF's have a certain mysterious sexual allure - then again as I am technically one myself and I chose one as my partner and in preference to a choice of cis suitors I would say that wouldn't I? But I agree with the others that singling us out is rather dangerous ground.

I also would caution the OP in not making the mistake of assuming that we all seek to be beautiful. There is nothing I would hate more than being some sort of supermodel style bimbo. After living most of my life inclduing a large part of my childhood this way I pass just fine. It took SRS to get the body I wanted, but I am deliberately a tomboy type, and that's what I pass as.

I don't seem to get any adverse reactions but if someone mistakenly thought they could insult me by calling me a man they would end up being sadly dissappointed. While I would disagree with the accuracy of their chosen epithet I honestly couldn't care less. Indeed the shallowness of such thinking positively amuses me.

I am that which I am.

Jenny x.

Quote from: rejennyrated on May 09, 2010, 05:09:04 AM
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I also would caution the OP in not making the mistake of assuming that we all seek to be beautiful. There is nothing I would hate more than being some sort of supermodel style bimbo. After living most of my life inclduing a large part of my childhood this way I pass just fine. It took SRS to get the body I wanted, but I am deliberately a tomboy type, and that's what I pass as.
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That is a very good point.
I should have been more specific. I have a friend that wants to transition but she's still in the closet, so I guess what I really meant is that whenever she hangs out with our other friends and myself, and she wears her hair up and even wears skirts, she's still got the body of a man but she's just got this radiance to her, like she's able to be herself, and it really makes me smile.
By beautiful, I mean something more than just pretty or even good-looking. I mean... It's like her soul is glowing.

And really by MtFs I meant transitioning women, or in the earlier stages. I have a friend who is really insulted if you call her trans, she USED to be trans as in she "transitioned and now it's over", so I'm used to using it in that respect and forgot that's not really how it's usually used.
Sorry it sounded like I was comparing... I guess I didn't really think about it.

Quote from: fedorahead on May 09, 2010, 05:29:37 AM
That is a very good point.
I should have been more specific. I have a friend that wants to transition but she's still in the closet, so I guess what I really meant is that whenever she hangs out with our other friends and myself, and she wears her hair up and even wears skirts, she's still got the body of a man but she's just got this radiance to her, like she's able to be herself, and it really makes me smile.
By beautiful, I mean something more than just pretty or even good-looking. I mean... It's like her soul is glowing.

And really by MtFs I meant transitioning women, or in the earlier stages. I have a friend who is really insulted if you call her trans, she USED to be trans as in she "transitioned and now it's over", so I'm used to using it in that respect and forgot that's not really how it's usually used.
Sorry it sounded like I was comparing... I guess I didn't really think about it.

yeah ok - I absolutely get that then... Sorry if I misunderstood you.

I too tend to think of the whole transthing as being kind of over since SRS - except of course that as a historical fact it will always be a part of my past, and as we are in part at least, the sum of our memories and life experiences, even though it technically ended a long while ago, it will therefore always be a part of me.

I actually feel quite sorry for those who can't accept that fact because it seems to me that they must spend a huge part of their lives either running away from inconvennient parts of themselves or else deluding themselves that it was different from how it was... I would rather embrace the positives and celebrate all of who I am. (Although in fairness I will admit that as I had the exceptional good luck to have parents who let me grow up openly trans even back in the 1960's - which obviously took huge courage on their part - I may have a different feeling on this from most simply because my road to being me was vastly less filled with pain than many.)

Either way denial, for me, takes way too much emotional and spiritual energy to be worth the candle! And as for getting upset, like I say, I really can't be bothered. Life is just too short.

I think that the inner beauty you are talking about comes from having the confidence to just be yourself and it's not limited to MtF, FtM or anyone. The confidence to just be yourself and not care what the world thinks is an incredibly attractive thing...well at least for me it is.

If someone tells me, after a brutal 16 hour day, that we are the best crew ever I might believe them a bit, but if that what you tell me when you first roll off the bus I know you're lying.

I agree with SilverFang, about more attractive, this is individual issue 

Quote from: SilverFang on May 09, 2010, 04:46:17 AM
I don't know, MTFs are just women to me as far as that goes.

 
As much as I feel like a female inside, i wasn't born one, and i doubt i will ever have enough confidence to say "i'm a transgender female" if i ever decide to transition..because yes: I would definitely agree i'd rather be seen as a woman only-- 
But...I think it's important the transgendered  community recognizes themselves in a transgendered way because I think completely avoiding the "i was born a male" thing is dissassociating from a past we shouldn't regret but be proud to say we overcame. I think skipping over that is caused by an obsession with passing when being transgendered isn't about that.  This is my opinion-- ultimately, i think it is healthier. So I appreciate the thread!

My 'obsession' is with staying alive and healthy as well as being me, not a thing to be ostracized.

Agreed lord Kat

Quote from: jesse on May 10, 2010, 03:36:03 AM
Agreed lord Kat

Hi beautiful lady,

Those who haven't dealt with some of the harsh realities others have, feel safe.

Some of us aren't that lucky.

Good to see you.

Well I don't know about others but I am. Jessica's OK with a paper bag over her head. And the others. WELL

Sorry sisters I couldn't resist please forgive.

You OK Jessica

Cindy, the girl that Angeline Joli wants to have FFS to look like (beard and all)

waves excitedly at Kat he noticed me 

im ok cindy im not drinking...yet lol slept to much this weekend couldnt get out of bed for whatever reason
hugs
jessica

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paper bag with no eye holes that way nothing can see me lol

Hiya Cindy,

Yes you are beautiful too.


Neither of you qualify for a paper bag so you have to do without.

*steals paper bag. Puts on head* I'm pretty when I have a paper bag on my head.

oh dang broke anouther mirror i need my bag back
jessica

*destroys all paper bags used by gorgeous ladies*

This includes you gothique

Jessica, you can only make mirrors green with envy. better look again.