Quote from: FairyGirl on May 10, 2010, 02:21:09 PM
Hey! you can't have him he's mine!! 

Oh no, I missed the sign-up sheet.  Not fair!  Not fair!


Kristi

Quote from: fedorahead on May 09, 2010, 04:29:04 AM
I've always thought that MTFs are a lot prettier than biological girls. I mean, obviously some girls are prettier than others, that's just how life works. It just seems to me that MTFs have this sort of internal beauty that radiates from them, making them more attractive... I've also found that I find trans supermodels way more attractive than biologically female models..

Is it just me? My best friend seems to disagree with me, but he's asexual so I wonder what it is that makes me feel this way.

It really annoys me when I hear people saying negative things about MTFs, or pick on someone for not passing well enough, because I just don't get why people don't see whatever it is I'm seeing.

You really are a kind person, I wish more people were more like you! I think that your friend is really lucky to have someone like you around, because it is always comforting and relieving to meet somebody who admires MtFs when faced with a world who must scrutinize it..

I dont know if any else said this, but reading your post made me smile

*Can't stop giggling enough to post much of anything* ... LOL 

I'm picky as it is.  As far as what I find attractive, I like blondes, tall, with high, firm breasts and long legs and arms and good abs that's physically active as I am.  Getting that alone doesn't really allow me to be as picky as determining, "Well, you have to be born biologically male, or pass..."

And a lot of times, if the girl's pretty, I'm not the best person to guess, and I was raised by the sort of people who urged me not to ask about someone's genitals they were born with on the first night.  You know, us southerners are just backwards that way.

The othering is annoying at best, and it bears repeating that the only people who anyone ever perceives as trans are those who don't pass, whether they're trans or not. So it's a bit of a skewed sample. I don't know why people don't seem to get this. But plenty of seemingly intelligent people, ones who understand logic and are aware of common logical fallacies, don't seem to understand that it's even possible that many trans women pass well.

I don't find anything complimentary about the notion of someone being into me because I'm trans. I can't help but suspect it's a kink. Now, I've got nothing against kinks per se, but my gender variance is the opposite of a turn-on for me. So that's not a kink that I would find terribly compatible.

I can admit the possibility that it's not a kink, but what you might call a "type." Maybe some people are just a little bit bi, or maybe they like tall women, or women with strong facial features, or maybe their opinion regarding the ideal proportions of the female posterior is the opposite of Sir Mix-a-Lot's. I wouldn't find any of that particularly offensive.

But my first instinct is that it's a kink.

Am I too late to get in on the LordKAT sharing and rock-star idolization?

As for the OP, I really don't have an opinion or offense. I know that I don't pass 10% and well, for now, I'm okay with that. I know that I am trying to make some headway towards becoming the woman I was born to have been. Hopefully I get there before I die.

Deanna

Kaleis i have to appologize also for assisting with the derailing of your thread we all got off on a tangent hugs hun i hope you have a good day
jessica

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 10, 2010, 09:36:39 PM
Well, let's look at this objectively.
Someone who is early in transition will find this quite complimentary.

Well yea, wasnt that what I was talking about? I was merely saying that it is nice to have acceptance instead of rejection/scrutiny while an MtF is transitioning.. I think it's important to have support from friends and/or family.

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 10, 2010, 09:36:39 PM
Well, let's look at this objectively.
Someone who is pretty much through transition will not like being differentiated from cis women.

I guess I should have said something about post-transitioning because I'd agree with this statement, I don't think it would be nice if an MtF is forceably reminded that she is different from the genetic girls.. It could even be insulting if the person was insistant on this. But do you think this guy saying that he thought us MtFs were beautiful in our own way was him objectifying in some degrading manner? It sounded to me that he is a little ignorant on how to talk to transexuals (because we need such a very intricate and delicate way of language to talk about ourselves), and is here to learn more, because he wants more suport for his friend.

Alternatively, I could be totally wrong on my interpretation of this fellow, and he could very well be one of those guys who stays up till 3am combing through a thousand ->-bleeped-<- pornography sites every night

Nobody knows..........

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 10, 2010, 09:36:39 PM
Personally, I'm rarely comfortable around someone who singles out MTFs for being MTFs - it's just a tiny bit creepy.

I suppose it is, if he is sexually attracted to us then I sure hope he knows the limits to what he can do in a civilised society, to somebody he finds sexy.. I don't think being sexually attracted to a certain kind of people makes you a predator until you act upon these instincts.. The same could be said about those men who find obese women sexy, or those men who find dominatrixes sexy, these are all things called "paraphilias".. We all have our paraphilias that we do not tell anyone if we can help it!

PS: I'm just debate in a friendly manner, defending myself otherwise I'd look silly I dont want us to have an all-out argument or anything

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 10, 2010, 09:36:39 PM
Well, let's look at this objectively.
Someone who is early in transition will find this quite complimentary.
Someone who is pretty much through transition will not like being differentiated from cis women.

Personally, I'm rarely comfortable around someone who singles out MTFs for being MTFs - it's just a tiny bit creepy.

Undoubtedly absolutely true when you are only a few years past transition and/or SRS.

At that point I went into total stealth for quite a long time and I would have been mortified to be picked out. But then, if you are like me, when you get to around 30 years post transition and SRS things can change again.

You may also reach the point where it's all now so far back in the past that you no longer care any more. I've lived almost all my life as the fairly unremarkable, if a little adventurous, girl next door. After managing that nothing really matters that much.

I totally agree out and out ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s are creepy - but at 50,and ultra long time after all my treatment, if I thought someone was genuinely just trying to be nice and being a bit clumsy about it then I probably wouldn't care.

Ummm... Maybe its just me, or maybe I missed something in the various posts, but I don't recall seeing anything that indicates that the OP was sexually attracted to MtFs or anything what-so-ever about sex. Attractive/beautiful and sexually attractive are quite different terms. If I say a baby is beautiful that does not make me a pedophile, it simply means that I think the baby is a beautiful baby.

Perhaps what the OP is intending by his comment that he finds early transitioning MtFs more attractive than GGs is that GGs are well established in their femininity and don't have anything to prove to themselves or the world while MtFs, like myself, who are early in their transition are still exploring their femininity and their re-pubescent bodies (I made that one up just now) and are basking in the glow of finally becoming the woman/women that we had closed off for however long we did. For that I thank Fedorahead.

If I am alone in this appreciation then I apologize for generalizing and will return to my basking in privacy.

Deanna (happily exploring who I am finally)

I just wonder how you can be in a crowd and be able to tell the difference between ones who are not biological females opposed to the ones who are? Anybody can guess but I think beauty is deeper than a gender label.

Quote from: Deanna_Renee on May 11, 2010, 10:02:26 AM
Ummm... Maybe its just me, or maybe I missed something in the various posts, but I don't recall seeing anything that indicates that the OP was sexually attracted to MtFs or anything what-so-ever about sex. Attractive/beautiful and sexually attractive are quite different terms. If I say a baby is beautiful that does not make me a pedophile, it simply means that I think the baby is a beautiful baby.

Perhaps what the OP is intending by his comment that he finds early transitioning MtFs more attractive than GGs is that GGs are well established in their femininity and don't have anything to prove to themselves or the world while MtFs, like myself, who are early in their transition are still exploring their femininity and their re-pubescent bodies (I made that one up just now) and are basking in the glow of finally becoming the woman/women that we had closed off for however long we did. For that I thank Fedorahead.

If I am alone in this appreciation then I apologize for generalizing and will return to my basking in privacy.

Deanna (happily exploring who I am finally)

Thank you Deanna, you're entirely right-on about what I was trying to say- I'm not even sure I'm sexually attracted to anyone, but I just feel that girls who are finally becoming who they feel they should have always been have a certain happy radiant aura that just seems to draw me in.

I sincerely apologize to everyone who thought I was being creepy, but honestly? I never said ANYTHING about sex, I said attractive. I don't have a fetish or anything like that, I just feel happy around them. Like second-hand freedom.

I'm also sorry that I wasn't able to clear this up earlier, I've been quite busy recently.

Quote from: Alyssa M. on May 10, 2010, 10:11:46 PM
The othering is annoying at best, and it bears repeating that the only people who anyone ever perceives as trans are those who don't pass, whether they're trans or not. So it's a bit of a skewed sample. I don't know why people don't seem to get this. But plenty of seemingly intelligent people, ones who understand logic and are aware of common logical fallacies, don't seem to understand that it's even possible that many trans women pass well.

I don't find anything complimentary about the notion of someone being into me because I'm trans. I can't help but suspect it's a kink. Now, I've got nothing against kinks per se, but my gender variance is the opposite of a turn-on for me. So that's not a kink that I would find terribly compatible.

I can admit the possibility that it's not a kink, but what you might call a "type." Maybe some people are just a little bit bi, or maybe they like tall women, or women with strong facial features, or maybe their opinion regarding the ideal proportions of the female posterior is the opposite of Sir Mix-a-Lot's. I wouldn't find any of that particularly offensive.

But my first instinct is that it's a kink.

This very true. People a more sceptical then ever before about any woman who doesn't fit the criteria of looking 100% female.
I remember as a child, noticing some extremely masculine looking women and nobody stared or made comments. No one even considered they might be transgendered. If they were or not, is anybody's guess.
Today, with shows like Jerry Springer and Maury Povich where they pick out a ts woman from a bio woman suddenly makes entertainment, and unfortunately, this has spilled out into every day life.

Quote from: Hermione01 on May 21, 2010, 11:03:40 PM
This very true. People a more sceptical then ever before about any woman who doesn't fit the criteria of looking 100% female.
I remember as a child, noticing some extremely masculine looking women and nobody stared or made comments. No one even considered they might be transgendered. If they were or not, is anybody's guess.
Today, with shows like Jerry Springer and Maury Povich where they pick out a ts woman from a bio woman suddenly makes entertainment, and unfortunately, this has spilled out into every day life.

That is an interesting comment. Why has the identification of TG women become entertainment. I normally don't watch such rubbish but I did see one episode of someone who was 'entertaining' the audience by trying to identify who was and who wasn't natal females. I just didn't get it. All of the women featured were very beautiful, to a point that any woman would be happy to look like any of them (IMO).

Are we going to have shows of: spot the disability? Spot the alcoholic? But the reason this rubbish goes to air is that it attracts an audience. Why?

Cindy

Quote from: CindyJames on May 22, 2010, 03:32:51 AM
That is an interesting comment. Why has the identification of TG women become entertainment. I normally don't watch such rubbish but I did see one episode of someone who was 'entertaining' the audience by trying to identify who was and who wasn't natal females. I just didn't get it. All of the women featured were very beautiful, to a point that any woman would be happy to look like any of them (IMO).

Are we going to have shows of: spot the disability? Spot the alcoholic? But the reason this rubbish goes to air is that it attracts an audience. Why?

Cindy

Yes it's rather barbaric isnt it? This is what I eas trying to say before about Gays in Soap Operas being nothing more than comical effect, they never get a serious love plot where they find a partner, and if thet do then they are promptly removed entirely from the soap. Its almost as if thet dont want them there on account of being homosexual, thats discrimination.

It's very sad that we are seen as something trivial or entertainment and don't deserve any respect..

Quote from: fedorahead on May 21, 2010, 10:28:25 PM
I just feel that girls who are finally becoming who they feel they should have always been have a certain happy radiant aura that just seems to draw me in.
I just feel happy around them.

Whole heartedly feel the same. I think a few of them know that about me.

I found some more paper bags.lmao

This is what I eas trying to say before about Gays in Soap Operas being nothing more than comical effect, they never get a serious love plot where they find a partner, and if thet do then they are promptly removed entirely from the soap. Its almost as if thet dont want them there on account of being homosexual, thats discrimination.

It's part of a natural progression, several soaps have gay stories/relationships in them now that are just as messed up/boring as everyone else in the series is. Lots of TV shows have African-American characters that are no different (they are not comic-relief, nor are they playing the second stereotype, that of the kind of cool guy that Cosby was on I Spy) then the other characters.

Quote from: scarboroughfair on May 23, 2010, 01:40:45 AM
You're one in a million...

It truly is about "internal" beauty. If I had to live as a guy, I would definitely check out ts girls because the "Feminine" power in them or "us" is so much more rich that that of a genetic girl. If you are for real, bless you.

How do you figure that?

Not all gg's share those characteristics, and there are also transwomen that have those characteristics... you're generalizing. I would feel no reason to think I was more female than any genetic girl or any transgirl... I'm just me.