The funniest allegory for the whole being trans thing I've ever seen was actually a monty python sketch.

Strangely enough for it's time (early 70's) it is fairly subtle and non offensive.

enjoy!

Oh, that was fabulous! It's great that they managed to make such a detailed parody of the "gay problem" without slipping into all-too-easy stereotyping.

Then again, Monty Python have always been top of the heap.

Quote from: PanoramaIsland on May 13, 2010, 11:23:12 AM
Oh, that was fabulous! It's great that they managed to make such a detailed parody of the "gay problem" without slipping into all-too-easy stereotyping.

Then again, Monty Python have always been top of the heap.

Only I think the parallel is even better with trans than gay - because of course the line "What is it that makes some men want to be mice?" translates perfectly if you just substitute mice for women!

Also having on occasion visited a rather famous UK trans club which used to operate in the 70's in French Place in London the description of the "mouse club" was hilariously close!

Hahaha, agreed. I was just thinking "gay problem" because they were more visible in the '70s (just like they're more visible now, I suppose).

Quote from: inoutallabout on May 12, 2010, 11:21:07 AM
I've noticed two styles and dispositions that many androgynous individuals I know of fall into.

There's the kind of pudgy, heavyset, very vain, extravagant, dramatic type, usually short, to mid-length hair, with spouts between femininity and masculinity.  Don't mistake those as bad traits, they could be good things to have.  This individual makes a good mold for being a leader, it's also a good setup for being manic depressive, as indecisiveness between which gender to gear doesn't make for a firm foundation of one's identity, which can lead to some issues.

Then there's the skinny, often longhaired(or shaven), baggy clothed or tight fitting, somewhat disconnected type.  Disconnected as in, what people think isn't going to make or break their self esteem.  I also typically see big walls in those personalities, walls that just don't want to be penetrated.  One could call these simple people sometimes, except for the high rate of creativity I notice, as well as the story behind the barrier, and all the thoughts bouncing around behind the well practiced smile.  Once a mind is set it seems, it stays on target, but if it's not set, then it's not really going to go anywhere until it finds the inspiration.

And that's how you put people into boxes>.<  Hooray for boxes!

I liked that, now, shall I go in box A or B? Decisions, decisions.

That's fantastic Jenny...I love monty python. hehe

Androgynes are just too lazy to commit. (This has been said about bisexuals and even agnostics)

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 13, 2010, 12:33:26 PM
I liked that, now, shall I go in box A or B? Decisions, decisions.

You are a prime example of box A.  Fine.  Actually one of the examples I had in mind whilst typing it up:)

I don't fit in box A or B. But maybe box Q or X will do 

I tend to use the KAT box.

the Z box for me 

Z

I don't do boxes.

'Unfortunately we could not identify your box at this time.
Please try again later.'

No one likes to be boxed, it kind of sullies the ego if one is able to be seen as equal to someone else, and not recognized to stand out.  But everyone fits in a box in one way or another, everyone can be labeled, categorized, etc.  No biggy, it's not saying someone is nothing but a generalization, but it is saying that many get touchy about it and I don't see why.

There are individuals on here eager to put themselves into the box of identifying as androgynous to fit into something, and then run away when they're called on it.

It's all quite fascinating.

Quote from: inoutallabout on May 18, 2010, 01:49:52 PM
but it is saying that many get touchy about it and I don't see why.

We're just having some irreverent fun with the subject  Please don't be mad.

This is the androgyne forum after all - land of the fruitcake, charley, winnie the pooh, and other assorted, serious topics.

This is the worldwide intrerweb thingy.

Nothing on here is quite what it seems. Very little of it is real, the bit of it that is real is completely bonkers!

So don't take us too seriously when we say

Thunderbirds are GO!

or

...we are about to launch Stingray

Anything could happen in the next half hour.  Even fruitcake...

I like my box-A, it has everything a good stereotype needs.

It has some things I agree with...  pudgy, heavyset, usually short, to mid-length hair spouts between femininity and masculinity.
Some things that people who don't know me would agree...extravagant, dramatic type.
Some things I probably agree with but do not like... very vain.
Some things I do not agree with a good mold for being a leader, it's also a good setup for being manic depressive.

Also, there is the classic technique of two contrasting stereotypes A and B which are broadly defined against each other as the short fat extrovert verses the tall thin introverts.

Of course if there are 'A' and 'B' androgynes, then A-types are the alpha androgyne. There is something too delicious about being an alpha androgyne... If GLBT people are the jokes and outsiders of straight life, if transgender people are the jokes and outsiders of GLBT life and if androgynes are the jokes and outsiders of transgender life - there is something wonderful about saying, "At least I am the alpha-androgyne'.

Indeed, I believe that all the people denying there true and just stereotypes are nothing but filthy B's.

Can I have cheese with my fruitcake?

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mmmmmm cheeeese

Quote from: Helena on May 18, 2010, 04:13:49 PM
Can I have cheese with my fruitcake?

Well that's just weird.

Best way to mask the taste of the fruitcake.