Quote from: StaceyBean on May 31, 2010, 03:20:34 AM
Im gonna jump in here, even though its totally not my place..seen as I'm a girl..and say that I do these things..and feel this way, I didnt find it sexist or demeaning or any other negative sense of it..like...I think its hard for guys on here to read that and say its wrong because, like you've always been a guy..like even before you came out, you had a male brain hence the reason for transitioning so, say that its wrong and sexist may only be coming from you never doing any of these things before coming out and therefor see it offensive to women..idk..

but i feel like it definitely sits true with me, and alot of my other girl friends.

(disclaimer-Im a cis-gendered female)

Thanks babe 

you are most certainly welcome. I know I'm going against the grain here on most peoples opinions but hey i thought I'd throw mine out there.

Quote from: StaceyBean on May 31, 2010, 03:20:34 AMyou had a male brain hence the reason for transitioning so, say that its wrong and sexist may only be coming from you never doing any of these things before coming out and therefor see it offensive to women..idk..

*shrug* I really don't think so. I don't think things like the N word are more acceptable coming from a black person than from someone who is white, for example. Just because I'm not black doesn't mean I don't find it unacceptable or can't pin point when a stereotype isn't as correct as it's said to be. There are also people who say really unacceptable things about whatever group they belong to. Self-hating women I've seen, self-hating gays, self-hating 'insert race here', etc... it doesn't really change things from the perspective that it's from when it comes to something like this.

I don't have to be a woman to be feminist and I don't have to be a minority to fight against their injustices or understand it. And isn't that what most transgender people want too? For people who aren't in their shoes to understand where they're coming from so we can gain equality?

One person doesn't represent everyone. You can see in this thread several times people who have experienced different kinds of women, maybe because their culture is a bit different, or maybe because there really are a variety of women out there. Some of us haven't really seen this stereotype much and others apparently have seen it more often.

To me, I've see all these traits listed in the article happen to both men and women. Which is why I don't think the stereotype is true about women, but more true about a certain type of people. People that have insecurities in themselves.

Quote from: Lachlann on May 31, 2010, 10:38:30 PM
*shrug* I really don't think so. I don't think things like the N word are more acceptable coming from a black person than from someone who is white, for example. Just because I'm not black doesn't mean I don't find it unacceptable or can't pin point when a stereotype isn't as correct as it's said to be. There are also people who say really unacceptable things about whatever group they belong to. Self-hating women I've seen, self-hating gays, self-hating 'insert race here', etc... it doesn't really change things from the perspective that it's from when it comes to something like this.

I don't have to be a woman to be feminist and I don't have to be a minority to fight against their injustices or understand it. And isn't that what most transgender people want too? For people who aren't in their shoes to understand where they're coming from so we can gain equality?

One person doesn't represent everyone. You can see in this thread several times people who have experienced different kinds of women, maybe because their culture is a bit different, or maybe because there really are a variety of women out there. Some of us haven't really seen this stereotype much and others apparently have seen it more often.

To me, I've see all these traits listed in the article happen to both men and women. Which is why I don't think the stereotype is true about women, but more true about a certain type of people. People that have insecurities in themselves.

I must agree with you, that it isn't "okay" or more okay for any race to use different words..putting it that way i can understand what you're saying. I guess my only point was, coming from where I stand, not being trans, and agreeing with the majority of what was said. Eh thats just me. You say its based on insecurities, but I highly disagree...but thats just me

Quote from: StaceyBean on May 31, 2010, 11:21:53 PM
I must agree with you, that it isn't "okay" or more okay for any race to use different words..putting it that way i can understand what you're saying. I guess my only point was, coming from where I stand, not being trans, and agreeing with the majority of what was said. Eh thats just me. You say its based on insecurities, but I highly disagree...but thats just me

Fair enough.

I'm with Lach on this, I've seen those traits in both males and females. I have had to deal with men like that and it gets dangerous when you do. The traits listed are not female traits so much as a personality that has both genders.