If they were like mine, before orchie, blue is Estradiol and white is Spiro.

I dont know if im getting it right. I can get the testes to go inside but they sort of form a bulge at the front of the region rather than disapearing from sight completely. Are they supposed to end up here or actually up in the pelvis?

Yes the pocket is where they end up.  A couple pairs of panties or a panty girdle and you are flat.

Quote from: CindyJames on June 08, 2010, 05:06:36 AM
Love that. Sorry Rowan of course you are welcome. I sometime sneak on the guys topics ( OK I'm very well known for not sneaking just going for it).

I suppose one question Rowan may address how much do guys look at girls crotches as compared to how much do girls look at guys? We seem to want the perfect 'clean cut' Guys seem to want to bulge out, virtually anywhere

Cindy

Well, I'm sort of oddly fascinated with this topic too, and...not sure I can answer this question in general, but while I don't have any interest in women's crotches, my eyes seem to be instinctively drawn to the hip/pelvis area at least briefly, so it would be hard to miss a major bulge.

Speaking of which, I'm reasonably familiar with my husband's body and I have literally no idea where you ladies are putting all that stuff. The descriptions of shoving things back up inside...*squirm, cringe*...wow. And I have trouble conceiving of panties tight enough to make a difference. So...my condolences and great respect, and I'll stop complaining about binding now!

Quote from: lilacwoman on June 08, 2010, 04:39:00 AM
I don't know blue and white!  what are they?

As far as I can tell... growing up a girl (against my will) most chicks don't stare at chick crotches. I've known them to be paranoid about their own, be it maxi bunching up, or pants doing a weird thing when sitting.  As a guy... I really have no idea. I'm not a girl crotch looker as there's not much that interests me in that area.

My guy and I both girl watch together, and never has he gone "Wooo! Look at that girl's perfectly flat crotchal zone!" He has, however pointed out a nice booty to me on many an occasion. We're pretty open with that sort of thing. Pointing out the pretty bits of people.

Now all this is forfeit if I see a girl wandering around in pants that are obviously waaaaay too small and there is a camel toe from hell staring me in the eye.

I really should say crotch a few more times in this post.

Quote from: Rowan on June 08, 2010, 08:19:33 PM
As far as I can tell... growing up a girl (against my will) most chicks don't stare at chick crotches. I've known them to be paranoid about their own, be it maxi bunching up, or pants doing a weird thing when sitting.  As a guy... I really have no idea. I'm not a girl crotch looker as there's not much that interests me in that area.

My guy and I both girl watch together, and never has he gone "Wooo! Look at that girl's perfectly flat crotchal zone!" He has, however pointed out a nice booty to me on many an occasion. We're pretty open with that sort of thing. Pointing out the pretty bits of people.

Now all this is forfeit if I see a girl wandering around in pants that are obviously waaaaay too small and there is a camel toe from hell staring me in the eye.

I really should say crotch a few more times in this post.

Speaking for myself - I could care less what other people see in that area of my pants, it's the single biggest point of my dysphoria for me
Even if I'm totally by myself with no one else around, if that area doesn't appear flat it triggers a huge amount of anxiety.  Even when I was very young before I had any real idea of why I was doing it, I started tucking / covering the area so it wasn't obviously there.

HRT makes it much easier, but I'm thankful that it's never been all that difficult for me to be reasonably flat there.  It only gets uncomfortable if I sit down too fast on a hard chair or something.  4 or 5 times of doing that and you learn better

Quote from: MGKelly on June 08, 2010, 09:31:15 PM
It only gets uncomfortable if I sit down too fast on a hard chair or something.  4 or 5 times of doing that and you learn better

Not to mention that sitting down slowly/at a reasonable pace makes one appear more dainty/demure than that fantastically manly flop/sprawl that got me yelled at as a kid. lol

I tried tucking several times in younger days but ran into many of the common frustrations...

The pain, becoming aroused, things not staying in place... Not satisfied with my appearance

One day while thrift store shopping, I came across a pair of somewhat worn but not worn out pair of Levi's 501 jeans... Wow! In my size no less! 

Holding them up for further inspection I noticed that these jeans had obviously been worn by a rather tall woman who wore her jeans rather snug

I thought... "Oh if only my jeans would make that shape"... Then the bells and whistles went off in my head... Right there was my template

It didn't always go perfect, but those "pre-formed" jeans held things in place rather well most of the time

Well, tucking has become much easier now (Mr. Happy rarely ever gets aroused) and years later I still have those jeans and my new jeans make that shape after some wear even though I am still pre-op

Quote from: Rowan on June 08, 2010, 09:48:44 PM
Not to mention that sitting down slowly/at a reasonable pace makes one appear more dainty/demure than that fantastically manly flop/sprawl that got me yelled at as a kid. lol

Rowan! Don't say such things or you'll get booted out of the place! Seriously though I have been booted off lots of UK TS forums for saying that girls have different body language to boys.  So its nice to read a former girl stating the obvious.

i only have one testie to realy wory about tucking the other is to small to bother with

I have to agree with not even trying.  The pain is just not worth it.

Quote from: Metamorph on June 08, 2010, 11:21:11 AM
I dont know if im getting it right. I can get the testes to go inside but they sort of form a bulge at the front of the region rather than disapearing from sight completely. Are they supposed to end up here or actually up in the pelvis?

Yeah that sounds just about right ^_^
You can visibly see where the testes go when they go into your abdomen by the 2 bulges, after being on hormones for quite some time, they naturally shrink, and with that, they are must less visible.

Ok so tucking. I wrote a really long post explaining how I achieve it, and some other girls tell me how they have discovered the same technique to work extremely well for them. Obviously how well endowed you are can also be a determining factor of how well you can tuck. Since I was born rather average, perhaps even less so, I can achieve a good tuck even in a swimming suit.

You can see the original post here: [Link] --- I will copy it here so you don't have to link though.

Note: I edited it some to be a little more explanatory.

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QuoteI am also Pre-HRT (But not for long). It takes practice. And after a while you'll get used to the fondling and no longer become aroused. It took me a couple of months to get the technique down. But now that I have it down, I can tuck (comfortably) and even get away with wearing a bikini with no bulge in just a matter of seconds. I also stay tucked 24/7, regardless of clothing choice.

For a while I was trying to do it while laying down. Big mistake. By the time you get it all situated, it gets very hard to put on the panties when your lying down. So give up on that method. The method I use I've named "Toilet Tucking", sounds gross but it works really well. I'm sure someone else came up with it before me, but since I discovered it on my own, I am going to take credit for it.

Before I start there are a couple of things to think about. Where you are tucking your testies up into is called the inguinal canal. The testes have a tendency to reascend back up into the inguinal canal when you are very cold or having intense sexual intercourse. While this may happen, it is still very rare. The inguinal canal can shrink slightly, making it harder for the testes to stay in place. After a couple of weeks of moving the testes in and out as well as keeping them in place, it can become far easier to move them in and keep them in.



6-Step "Toilet Tucking" Process

• 1: Sit on the toilet like you normally would to take care of business. Keep your panties just above your knee, and let the "parts" dangle as they may.
• 2: Put your legs firmly together. The "parts" should be squished between your legs. And very little should be visible at this point.
• 3: Stand up. By this point the "parts" should be pretty much tucked between your legs, except with the 2 rocks have not yet reascended into the inguinal canal.
• 4: To get them to reascend, simply wiggle around a little bit and try to push them up with your legs (or thighs). This might hurt the first couple of times, but once you get the technique down, it doesn't hurt anymore.
• 5: After that, pull up the underwear to lock it all in place.
• 6: To allow it to remain comfortable for hours, reach around back (over your butt), and pull the scrotal skin back over your butt (no joke). Perhaps squat a little bit to get a more thorough "pull-through" of the scrotal skin. It's a weird sensation, but you get used to it.

If you don't pull the skin back it may get caught in the underwear, between the underwear and the legs and start to pinch; after a while it can cause some fairly excruciating pain. I wear fairly tight underwear that is designed for a woman exactly my size, so given that I have those annoying extra parts, they are quite tight. You need them a little tight like that to keep it all secure. And if you tuck properly you will absolutely remain comfortable.

Another tip is to not lean on anything from the front. For instance, when I cook dinner, I have a tendency to lean against the counter from my front. And since my "boys" are right there, I end up smashing them in, and it hurts like holy hell. After a while you don't do it anymore and you don't think about it; but if you do start to tuck more frequently keep that in mind.

I've tried all different types of underwear and here is my experience with the different styles as far as Comfort and Function.


Do use:

• Bikini Style

            These are great all around. They hold everything in place, and remain comfortable.

• High Cut Style

            Another fantastic style. Hold everything in place, and because it rides up higher it may help hold the underwear up. The extra pressures from below encourages the underwear to slip down slightly.

• Stretch Cotton

            Make sure you buy any of the above style in stretch cotton, because it holds tight. While in standard cotton the threads tend to stretch and it loses it's ability to hold.



Don't Use:

• Boy Shorts

            While comfortable at first, I found that my parts tend to jiggle out of the sides of the underwear very frequently. I love boy shorts, but I recommend against using them.

• Hipster (Maybe)

            This style may or may not work. They are sort of low, and they may slide down a bit to easy. I don't encourage many people to use these.

• Thongs

            I don't think this really needs explaining. Plus they are just kind of uncomfortable anyway.

• Plain Cotton

            Like I mentioned above. Standard cotton underwear stretches to much, and ends up losing the ability to hold everything secure.


I don't buy underwear in packs. Like if you go to walmart or target and you can buy a 5 pack of hanes underwear. In just a matter of minutes they will stretch and lose the ability to hold everything in place and they'll stay that way until you wash them where they shrink back down. The stuff I buy is a little bit more expensive and off the rack (usually hanging up in packs of 3). They are still cotton, but more stretchy (like spandex) and hold things far better.

Don't use the "boy shorts" style of panties. In all of my experience, my bits tend to slip out. I really love boy shorts, the way the look and their comfort, but they just don't function. I have tried a butt load of different types too.

Surprisingly, I don't buy or have ever tried a gaff. I thought about it, but I don't feel the need to use one. Thankfully, I was not "endowed" with anything special; and I've gotten my technique down to such a degree that I don't think I'll ever need one.

If you have any questions regarding my method, let me know. I'll be happy to answer.

I would like to point out that since I wrote that post, I have started HRT. I am on day 110. ^.^

In addition to popping the testes back up into the body cavity, you can use duct tape.  That doesn't necessarily mean taping one thing to another.  You can add a piece of duct tape to the penis and fold it over and pull that back like a thong and stick it between the butt cheeks so that it helps keep stuff tucked by friction. Or you can tape it down if you have to wear something revealing.

I don't want to sound perverted or anything but I'm more of a visual learner then reading words, etc., I know obviously; People can't post the tucking process in full pictures in this thread -- But if someone can give me a link or message me somewhere where I can actually see the process that would help.

For me, I'm iffy when it comes to tucking, I can get it somewhat good but sometimes the coal pieces come forward and make a camel toe or a huge bulge and then I feel awkward and then also a lot of times the poker hurts or when I'm done for the day and untuck I notice that it is sore and hurts for a bit.

It comes down to practice. Find the technique that works for you... My "Toilet Tuck" seems to be the technique of choice for a lot of girls, but some people may find something that works better for them.

Quote from: SamanthaFLA on June 11, 2010, 08:11:59 AM
It comes down to practice. Find the technique that works for you... My "Toilet Tuck" seems to be the technique of choice for a lot of girls, but some people may find something that works better for them.

I think it's a grand idea and I actually like it but my mind can't comprehend it into actions, like reading it, it all makes sense but when I run it through my mind the words don't translate...I'm a visual learner but at the same time I'm a artistic or audio learner but it all depends on the subject and if I have visuals for things I can usually 90% of the time get it done.

For example if you told me to draw a picture of a wolf I wouldn't be able to do it but if you told me key features that the wolf has and then draw them out (Eyes, doggy ears, nose), then I would be like, "Oooh! I get it!" and then I could draw it out, lol...It's hard to explain. 

If you want a visual of the "toilet tuck", start watching some of the early episodes of "Californication."  I nearly spit my drink out when the "mangina" showed up on the 65" screen larger than life. Clicky clickyhttp://www.movieline.com/2009/09/5-most-horrifying-images-from-last-nights-californication-premiere.php

I find that, even though I am not yet on HRT and am fairly well endowed, the toilet tuck works for me with one tiny exception - the testes don't generally descend on their own.  I do find it's better to be shaved "down there" else the hair starts causing from friction burns, which really hurts!

Quote from: jill610 on June 11, 2010, 09:06:40 AM
If you want a visual of the "toilet tuck", start watching some of the early episodes of "Californication."  I nearly spit my drink out when the "mangina" showed up on the 65" screen larger than life. Clicky clickyhttp://www.movieline.com/2009/09/5-most-horrifying-images-from-last-nights-californication-premiere.php

I find that, even though I am not yet on HRT and am fairly well endowed, the toilet tuck works for me with one tiny exception - the testes don't generally descend on their own.  I do find it's better to be shaved "down there" else the hair starts causing from friction burns, which really hurts!

Ahhhh! My eyes. LOL. Hmmm, it's exactly what I been doing now except for one thing and that's likely why I feel pain -- But now I can fix it! Thanks Jill!