Hi,

This thread concerns multi-dimensional thinking. Since I can't quickly find a definition for it, I'll state it as the ability to consider an issue from ALL sides rather than from one or two sides.

My thesis is: Are Androgynes generally multi-dimensional thinkers?

I specific added the word 'generally' because I know that everyone here does not have the same traits. I am not suggesting that we are 100% the same in any regard.

Part of my own multi-dimensional thought process involves seeing many possibilities for any given situation.

If I'm an idiot, feel free to alert me to that.   

Quote from: Rebis on June 26, 2010, 05:57:22 PM
Hi,

This thread concerns multi-dimensional thinking. Since I can't quickly find a definition for it, I'll state it as the ability to consider an issue from ALL sides rather than from one or two sides.

My thesis is: Are Androgynes generally multi-dimensional thinkers?

I specific added the word 'generally' because I know that everyone here does not have the same traits. I am not suggesting that we are 100% the same in any regard.

Part of my own multi-dimensional thought process involves seeing many possibilities for any given situation.

If I'm an idiot, feel free to alert me to that.   

I doubt this is limited to androgynous people.  I think it comes from how you were raised and the things that happened in your life.  I can see all sides of argument and see their validation while defending the side that I fit more.  I can see many possibilities, also.  This is probably because I have been forced to have a different outlook on life and how the world is viewed because of medical reasons. 

I don't mean to say only Androgynes can do this. I'm trying to feel out how many of them here on this site can do it. I have a plot to use the info for some dastardly thread.

I have a hard time imagining an androgyne not being a multi-dimensional thinker, as you put it.  I think it would be kind of hilarious though if there was such a thing as an androgyne that was also a black and white thinker =P.

I'm crossing my fingers for one to respond to this thread!

Btw, I know you didn't ask, but personally I have a real problem with always seeing every side to an argument as being valid and I am not an androgyne and I was raised by parents that were very committed to "truth" and the black and whitedness of things.

The idea is to see every side, but not necessarily as valid. Let's face it, some sides are hideous.   

That's just me being melodramatic :O).

Anyway, I'll be quiet now and wait to see your dastardly thread.

that's like my thing . i can understand almost everyones pov even say murderers , but it doesn't go like 'oh yeah i understand what was that guy thinking when he killed that child'  , but rather , i try , like i put myself in other's shoes keeping in mind all the factors and variables
and i see more variables and factors to any situation than people around me mostly see , even the very little details that can change everything , well especially those 

Empathy can be a real curse, but it also can be really great .

Quote from: Jen on June 26, 2010, 08:06:07 PM
Empathy can be a real curse, but it also can be really great .

seconded , the curse part reminds me of all the times i knew how bad someone feels and i can't do anything about it . or sometimes when someone have done a terrible thing (even to me) and i very easily let it go

I can see most situations from any side, which causes me to be a "slow" decision maker as i turn the situation around in my head and ponder the choices.

I have a reputation as being level headed and as a good advice giver. Whether this comes from an androgyne background - i don't know, but i suspect being an androgyne helps.

i'm starting to think it's the other way around for me , like , i knew am an androgyne because i'm capable of "multi-dimensional thinking" , that eventhough i'm dysphoric about my body i knew i'd be dysphoric too if i was extremely female . and i've read about A LOT of people who did it and managed to completely transition and then de-transitioned but not to their original state of birth
si i think it's not exclusive to anrogynes nor all androgynes have that but it has a relation of some sort  with being one , i also think there are a lot of 'types' of androgynes

I think as humans we all are multi dimentional thinkers, and since as androgynes we see more than two sides, we actually are more than average mutlidimentional. our perspective is so clued in we can see more.


(my opinion)

Decision making is awful with me too. In fact, if there is more than one choice for something, I can stop entirely like an android with an overloaded processor.

I'm not so sure all humans are multi-dimensional. Some are severely one dimensional in that they cannot easily imagine all the alternatives. These would be people who are extremely literal with everything and unable to creatively conjure alternatives to everyday problems.

I'm not knocking one dimensional thinkers. My housemate is one and I've learned to pay attention to her before I go off into some fantastic voyage and lose myself.

I'm still working on my trap. I totally forgot what I was going to do. I must of got caught in the dimensional whirlwind. That's another problem with being multi-dimensional - you finally know what you're going to do but lose it because you got distracted. Then you have to pick through the mental trash again.

I think multi-dimensional is the wrong description...when I read the thread title I thought you meant can androgynes parallel process across realities, tapping into the thought processes of their multiple selves and thus turning them selves into walking super computers capable of devising fiendishly exquisite ways of defeating the fruitcake in battle.

I think that in order to put yourself in other peoples shoes or to view a problem from an entirely different angle takes imagination and creativity. Are a greater percentage of androgynes more imaginative and creative than the rest of the world? I honestly don't know...I do know that you could say that as a fairly blanket statement for everyone who posts in the androgyne forum at susans...but is it representative? *shrugs*

Quote from: riven1 on June 26, 2010, 09:00:49 PM
I have a reputation as being level headed and as a good advice giver. Whether this comes from an androgyne background - i don't know, but i suspect being an androgyne helps.

Same here, but again I don't know if it's how I am or how I was brought up.

Quote from: Helena on June 27, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
I think multi-dimensional is the wrong description...when I read the thread title I thought you meant can androgynes parallel process across realities, tapping into the thought processes of their multiple selves and thus turning them selves into walking super computers capable of devising fiendishly exquisite ways of defeating the fruitcake in battle.

I did mean that too.

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Quote from: ativan on June 27, 2010, 10:23:31 AM


One dimensional: stuck at a stop sign.
Two dimensional: left or right, forward or back
Three dimensional: same as two, with up or down added in
Four dimensional: same as three, with time added in

Multi dimensional? All of the above at the same time?

Search multi-dimensional thinking, then search spatial thinking.

Androgynes more intelligent than average? As a group...seems like it to me. Or is it that we are more empathic within our group?
It seems we spend more time here asking and then thinking about the answers.

Now about defeating the evil regime of the fruitcakes.........

Gravity is a dimension now too.

This is not about intelligence. It's about problem solving. I know there are binaries who are more intelligent than I am, however, I'm wondering if Androgynes have this one trait.

Ability to see all, or at least most points of view? Yes.

Ability to use that in my own desision making process? Not so much.

Obsess a tad too often on people who have vastly different experiences than myself so that I might understand them? Yep.

(careful when applying that last one to kinks of different sorts...one might end up with more of an eyeful than one wanted... just sayin.)

Hmm.. I spy with my little eye a trap with the letter I..
Or maybe I just created that trap myself, but of course what else to expect from my ponder-puddle?

So, I will say: No, Androgynes are generally not multi-dimensional thinkers.

And now it's time for my funky explanation on that one.
The way I see it, Androgynes might think they are multi-dimensional thinkers but a lack of wires (binary/gender wise) makes those thoughts pure speculation. The lack of understanding of others frame of reference is calculated and processed (by logics) in an individual frame of reference. So while that frame might have a bit more hatches it's still created from our own speculative observations...
So multi-dimensional? No... Alter-dimensional, likely. We might see more but we have trouble seeing what others see.

Does that explanation make any sense? I don't know. I just thought it fun to take a stab at this. 


Edit: bit more of an explanation as to way I decline multi-dimensional... As far as I get there has to be an understanding of the basic dimension and its ruleset in order to be able to apply it to thinking and as explained above I believe ag's lack that understanding.

So, your response is that Androgynes inherently have blind spots?

That makes sense to me.

Dunno about multidimensional, bit too hippy for me. I do, however think in lots of different directions at once because I tend to think in networks. I think by making links between points and obsessively collecting new points and making new links. I spose that could be multidimensional - certainly in 3 at least - 4 if you consider my relationship with the past.

However, I am very dogmatic about somethings, it takes me a long time to decide something, and I am not strong in maintaining my decisions, but once I have I am very firm - I guess it's a speedy route through the network.

The network can sometimes be brilliant, but more often you get lost. Which makes sense, networks are tricky things - as exemplified by Dr J
'Network: Any thing reticulated or decussated, at equal distances, with interstices between the intersections.'

Quote from: Rebis on June 28, 2010, 08:34:31 AM
So, your response is that Androgynes inherently have blind spots?

That makes sense to me.

In a way, yes. I suppose every human inherents some blind spots but I think several of those for androgynes are less individual while the effect of these blind spots a more individual thought... Network.