When do you think the US government will come clean about the UFOs?  Or are they themselves in the grips of a shadowy world government that knows no laws?  I'm tired of hearing the lame cover stories and the terrorizing of American citizens into silence.  Transpeople would be better off if everyone was worried about the ongoing alien colonization efforts instead.  We can't let these black helicopters & MIB folks tell us what we should think, control us with their billions of dollars of mind-control research.  Anyone with half a brain knows why we haven't sent astronauts back to the moon, and why we don't want anyone on Mars.

Err...

I think something is up honestly, but I'm not drawing the same conclusions as you seem to be.

Putting people on Mars is really risky and really ->-bleeped-<-ing hard, not to mention there's not much money either.

The international UFO society( don't remember it'a actual name) closed itself down as they realised that despite all the video cameras and phone cameras in the world now, there were still no decent videos of UFOs.   

whoah, whoah, whoah, last time I checked there is tons and tons of evidence of visitation, it's almost always covered up though :-(  the US government is by far the worst, France & Belgium are surprisingly liberal though, France released all it's UFO records a few years ago I think, you simply cannot deny thousands upon thousands of reports from people all over the world and throughout time, that's how they want you to think

The aliens are not aliens.......
They are from here on earth.
How much longer was life in the oceans than on land....?
Occams razor people.....
Where is the only planet we know of that can suport life? Earth.

Saying extraterrestrial aliens don't exist is like saying transpeople don't exist.  People are more comfortable denying things that disrupt their close-minded view of the world.

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Ockham would disagree I think.  It's less suppositions to say that life forms from natural processes throughout the universe than to say that our particular planet is unique amongst billions.  Cross-reference your Fermi paradox lol.

Okay, seriously people, how is Occam spelled? I've seen all kinds of different spellings.

You may be right transnikki.

But think of it this way.

There are people who originated on a planet, unimaginably far away. Traveling at the speed of light, which as you know, is impossible, it would take years to get there.

They come here. So, we know, their technology is far ahead of ours. Hundreds, possibly thousands of years, in relative terms.

With such advanced beings, do you really think there is anything you or even every one of us can do?

Ockham is a place, like Kelvin of the Kelvin scale.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor


It is spelled Occam.

I put this in the politics section because even if there's nothing we can do, the people have a right to know.  We need to ramp up pressure on the government to stop the dumb coverups.  Venus & swamp gas is getting really old :-p.  Then they try to brainwash us so most Americans are dumb enough to believe it.  The stories leaked from NASA are really really scary though.  I wouldn't want to go up there either.

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for the razor, they're both correct, I prefer the original spelling though

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I've heard said before that the one thing that could unify humanity is either a planetary threat or the revelation that we're not alone.  Imagine a world where we're not black or white, cisgender or transgender, Christian or Muslim, but just human.  Yet the government thinks it can squander advanced weaponry off the aliens in exchange for them doing cattle mutilations and abducting citizens.  They're afraid of the political & international backlash from such a long coverup and I don't blame them, but it needs to get out.  They've got a hell of a closet (pun intended ;-) ).

I never said that there is no life elsewhere in the universe. I just said that I believe that the 'Aliens' that are here are not Aliens, they are indigenous. It would be far easier for an advanced species to hide from us on their own planet that we share with them, than it would be to get a spaceship across the vast void of deep space.

Once you break the Einstein barrier, interstellar travel is easy.  But actually yeah I do agree with you, personally I think there's a good chance our visitors are from the future.  Which only makes it worse actually, extraterrestrials could be understood to not care about our planet, but meddling with time is very very dangerous.

Quote from: transnikki on July 12, 2010, 09:07:19 AM
Once you break the Einstein barrier, interstellar travel is easy.

You make it sound so trivial. I've never heard of anyone calling superluminal speeds "Breaking the Einstein barrier", did you come up with that yourself?

As far as we can tell, there is no way to make anything with mass go faster then light, if there is a way to travel in space faster then light, it would most likely involve a shortcut of sorts.

Time crime eh?
I doubt messing around the timeline would do anything other than spawn alternate realities.

Pssh! There's no such thing as "time" as an independently existing phenomenon. Time's just a man made concept for better comprehending the flow of causality.
Tomorrow doesn't exist and we'll never experience it, for when the dawn breaks, it's always "today".
Yesterday is gone, deleted from existence, all we have is the memory of it, garbled and flawed and based on our biased perception more than reality.

As for the existence of Aliens. Surely, there's life on other planets, but intelligent? I don't know.
So advanced that they can travel across the galaxy? Well, if so, then why are they not so advanced that they need a human conspiracy to hide their existence? And why would they land here? of all places?

Time is the other aspect of space, and, as such, it does not imply causality at all.  It implies movement, about the cause of such movements, it speculates, but does not answer.

There was a particularly good sifi program on in the 70s called Blakes 7.

They got around the light speed problem by supposedly distorting time. The specifics were never gone into. This wasn't Star Trek, more a political alegory. But nice idea.

Time flows in the direction that entropy increases.

About superluminal craft, there are a lot of ways to do that without wormholes (spacetime shortcuts), even without invoking quantum theory.  The speed of light is only a limit in special relativity, which only applies in perfectly flat spacetime, which is by definition impossible (any mass anywhere in the universe will affect all points in spacetime since relativity is a classical theory).  The easiest way to make your ship go faster than light is to isolate it in it's own spacetime metric (a warp bubble).  Depending on the configuration, speeds at least several times the speed of light are possible, though of course it's all relative ;-).  And no I didn't make up the term Einstein barrier :-p.  It refers to the limit in special relativity (v = c) whereby subluminal & superluminal objects cannot reach.  It's slightly more specific than saying "speed of light," since there are theories whereby the Einstein barrier is not c_0 = 299,792,458 m/s.