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Transphobia in a Trans Person

Started by Omika, July 15, 2010, 12:13:43 AM

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tekla

Define: "Get it together, etc"

I bet we can find hundreds, thousands, millions, if not billions of ways to define that.  One person's definition of getting it together is someone else's definition of wasting your life living in hell.  Really.

If you want to help people, the only way you can really do it is to accept them for who they are, where they are, and try to do a little something to assist them in getting where they want to be.  That's it.  That's all.

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Silver

Quote from: Miniar on July 15, 2010, 05:25:44 PM
Letting other people's lives make you feel good or bad isn't really the best way to live.

Good point.
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cynthialee

My wife is an androgyn. Zir presentation is not anywhere near a proper male or female. And to hear you say that you think people who do not perfect a gender presentation are not being their best makes me kind of upset here.
What is your opinion of genderf***'s androgynes and nuetrois? Do they make you uncomfortable also? Because these people should not be held up to your litmus in anyway shape or form.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Hermione01

I'm sorry, but I can't stand these kind of posts. They serve absolutely no purpose and always crop up every now and again and I think it's all bs.
Honestly, if someone is really living the dream, are 100% satisfied with who they are, they would not come to a transgender forum and basically blast anyone who 'isn't trying enough' or 'doesn't come up to scratch'. Why even bother? 
I mean if someone is in stealth and no longer wishes to have any kind of contact with other transgenders, it's not that hard to do.  They're not exactly on every street corner ready to 'out' you.
Live your life and let others live theirs. I can't understand why you would want sympathy for being transphobic, it doesn't make any sense. If you are near perfect and are living the dream, you wouldn't need any validation on a forum like this. It's just another excuse to bag people you find offensive anonymously and watch it derail as the elitist and/or delusional come out of the woodwork.  ::)


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Poseidon

Quote from: Hermione01 on July 15, 2010, 09:53:46 PM
I'm sorry, but I can't stand these kind of posts. They serve absolutely no purpose and always crop up every now and again and I think it's all bs.
Honestly, if someone is really living the dream, are 100% satisfied with who they are, they would not come to a transgender forum and basically blast anyone who 'isn't trying enough' or 'doesn't come up to scratch'. Why even bother? 
I mean if someone is in stealth and no longer wishes to have any kind of contact with other transgenders, it's not that hard to do.  They're not exactly on every street corner ready to 'out' you.
Live your life and let others live theirs. I can't understand why you would want sympathy for being transphobic, it doesn't make any sense. If you are near perfect and are living the dream, you wouldn't need any validation on a forum like this. It's just another excuse to bag people you find offensive anonymously and watch it derail as the elitist and/or delusional come out of the woodwork.  ::)

Well said.
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YellowDaisy

if you don't like to label yourself as transsexual, then ok, but that's the proper term, and it's not going to change no matter how well you pass. i think it's a little odd for you to say you don't want to associate with anyone transsexual, yet you will join a forum with more than you probably see in person. also, why hold them to the same standards as yourself? there's alot of people in this world that fall way below an actual standard, why focus on transsexuals? is that even a standard? it's something we just are, we have no control over it, but we are people just like any other.
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Ms Bev

This whole notion is simply disturbing.  Why don't we issue arm bands (I'll take the black triangle, thank you) so we can identify who fits where.  Maybe you and I would be put in a special place.  You could call it "Perfect Passing Paradise", and I would call it "Hell".  And then we could compare your no doubt bell-clear tones against my ordinary average alto female voice.  I feel certain I'd fall short of your standards.
I don't strut my trans stuff in the street, and I'm low key except for the lesbian thing.  But....I don't worry about other transsexuals "tipping my hand" if I'm with them in public (a RARE event, since I don't know many to associate with in person anyway)
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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Dryad

What if being 'out' ís being your best, for you? What if not trying to please everyone by presenting a perfect picture, but instead presenting the fractured person that you are ís good for a lot of people?
No; it often won't get you a raise. It often won't get you promoted. Is that right, though? Is the world good as it is, with nothing but conformists walking the streets? Is it normal to be normal?

My father once had a talk with one of his parishioners.
P: 'Well; I think homosexuals aren't normal!'
F: 'Maybe, but then again: Who ís?'
P: 'I'm normal!'
F: 'You are? That's abnormal...'

The point being is: Yes! Everyone is a unique little snowflake. Just as unique as everyone else. The world is slowly, but steadily, going in a direction that states that self-expression is better than being a conformist. That it is better to be truthful and honest about who and what you are, and what you have experienced in your past, what has made you you, then just putting yourself in a black tux and be whatever is expected of you.
The irony is: To conform to the new world, you're going to have to express yourself.
If being yourself is to live up to other's expectations, then that should be fine. If your 'being the best I can' is what's best for you, then that should be supported. For other people, things are different. And that doesn't make you bad, nor does it make thém bad, in return.

The world turns, times change, and to be, we really have to start being. And if you can shamelessly be, then nobody will mistake you for anything else.

Just remember: It is usually self-disgust and anxiety that fuels anger and fear towards others. So my question is: Are you really happy about yourself? Really?
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