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Started by Jillary Woolen Xσx, July 22, 2010, 03:11:34 PM

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Jillary Woolen Xσx

Hello Lovelies :)

I've been really trying to educate myself on the various procedures and terms such as "One & Two Step Surgery" "Labiaplasty" and "orchiectomy" but i find myself very confused about what is what and the purposes of the procedures, pros and cons, and etc.

It might be a pretty broad question, but could someone help me understand what the GRS Procedures are?
or a website that covers all the various surgeries and info on them?

Jocelyn XOX
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Sarah Louise

I think if you do a web search on SRS or GRS, you will find everything you ever wanted to know (and more).
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rejennyrated

Orchidectomy is the removal of testes without any attempt to refashion the genitalia. In the past, before the advent of effective anti-androgen medication this was often done (and indeed sometimes still is) to reduce the patients androgen levels and increase the effectiveness of HRT.

It is sometimes opted for by patients who need time to save money for full SRS as it reduces the need to take potentially harmful drugs to suppress the androgens. There are also some people who do not desire full reassignment surgery for whatever reason.

SRS - Sex Reassignment Surgery - can be done using a variety of methods all of which have their pros and cons.

Cosmetic SRS - Some patients opt for what is known as a cosmetic op where no attempt is made to create a workable vaginal depth. This can be carried out on patients who may be judged in too poor a state of health to undergo full SRS. It is also cheaper. However it is NOT a suitable choice for anyone who contemplates an active female sex life.

Penile Inversion - is the simplest form of vaginoplasty. Where there is sufficient skin on the original male member this is inverted and used to line the new vaginal canal. Skin from the scrotum is used to construct the labia and vulva. Where there is ample material this system has the virtue of being simple and requiring no special pre treatments (for example hair removal on the genitals)

Peno-Scrotal Graft - is a refinement of the above technique. It is said by some to give a more natural appearance of the created genitals. It also provides more material to work with, which for those not amply endowed offers the prospect of a better depth. I had an early version of this done on me.

One potential complication is that the scrotal skin needs hair removal prior to use. Unfortunately with early patients like myself this was not fully realised with the result that some of us ended up with internal hair (fortunately I didn't have much and so I don't have a huge problem, but for some girls it was a major issue.) The upshot is that these days surgeons are fairly insistent that patients undergo electrolysis on the relevant area OUCH!

A further refinement of this technique is used by surgeons like Suporn who attempt to use urethral mucosa to try and make the constructed vagina self lubricating. This can be quite successful for some people.

Colon Section - This is not so popular these days. It represents MAJOR surgery and it has a much higher risk of SERIOUS complications. In this technique a small section of colon was isolated and used to line the new vagina. Problems with odour, durability and indeed the simple fact that you have to cut and staple the intestine make this technique risky to say the least.

Donor Skin Graft - Both penile inversion and Peno-Scrotal techniques can be supplemented by taking some donor skin from the thigh or abdomen. This is now the preferred option for achieving adequate depth if there is limited material to work with.

One and Two Stage procedures.

In many respects this is a false dichotomy, as whether or not a "second stage" is needed will depend as much on the patient as it does on the surgeon. The cosmetics of the finished genitals are important to most of us. Most surgeons will attempt to produce a convincing visual effect from the first operation, but in some case, time limitations or simply the starting anatomy simply does not allow this to be done whilst also working to achieve a good depth of vagina.

In such cases, I was one such, a second stage will often be needed to construct a "pretty" and/or anatomically accurate vulva. It is only in relatively recent times that this has become more popular. Second surgery can vary in its scope. Some like me end up having a full rework of their whole vulva and urethral opening done under general anesthesia, others may only need very minor surgery, as is the case with some labiaplasty, which is sometimes done under local anesthetic in a doctors office.

The three cosmetic procedures which can be done are:

Labiaplasty - refers to the creation of well defined labia minora.
Clitoroplasty - is the creation of a sensate clitoris and hood. This is often done during vaginoplasty but it is not always so, and SOMETIMES, if it was not so done, and if enough nerve tissue remains, it is possible to attempt a "retro fit" at a later stage.
Urethral relocation - is the repositioning of the urethral opening into a more female typical position than often results from basic vaginoplasty.

I recently and somewhat belatedly underwent all three procedures successfully about a quarter of a century after my original SRS op.

This is not an exhaustive list of terms. I'm sure others will add to it, and/or correct any errors that I may have inadvertently made. I hope it may be helpful however.
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Jillary Woolen Xσx

Quote from: rejennyrated on July 22, 2010, 04:00:02 PM
Orchidectomy is the removal of testes without any attempt to refashion the genitalia. In the past, before the advent of effective anti-androgen medication this was often done (and indeed sometimes still is) to reduce the patients androgen levels and increase the effectiveness of HRT.

It is sometimes opted for by patients who need time to save money for full SRS as it reduces the need to take potentially harmful drugs to suppress the androgens. There are also some people who do not desire full reassignment surgery for whatever reason.

SRS - Sex Reassignment Surgery - can be done using a variety of methods all of which have their pros and cons.

Cosmetic SRS - Some patients opt for what is known as a cosmetic op where no attempt is made to create a workable vaginal depth. This can be carried out on patients who may be judged in too poor a state of health to undergo full SRS. It is also cheaper. However it is NOT a suitable choice for anyone who contemplates an active female sex life.

Penile Inversion - is the simplest form of vaginoplasty. Where there is sufficient skin on the original male member this is inverted and used to line the new vaginal canal. Skin from the scrotum is used to construct the labia and vulva. Where there is ample material this system has the virtue of being simple and requiring no special pre treatments (for example hair removal on the genitals)

Peno-Scrotal Graft - is a refinement of the above technique. It is said by some to give a more natural appearance of the created genitals. It also provides more material to work with, which for those not amply endowed offers the prospect of a better depth. I had an early version of this done on me.

One potential complication is that the scrotal skin needs hair removal prior to use. Unfortunately with early patients like myself this was not fully realised with the result that some of us ended up with internal hair (fortunately I didn't have much and so I don't have a huge problem, but for some girls it was a major issue.) The upshot is that these days surgeons are fairly insistent that patients undergo electrolysis on the relevant area OUCH!

A further refinement of this technique is used by surgeons like Suporn who attempt to use urethral mucosa to try and make the constructed vagina self lubricating. This can be quite successful for some people.

Colon Section - This is not so popular these days. It represents MAJOR surgery and it has a much higher risk of SERIOUS complications. In this technique a small section of colon was isolated and used to line the new vagina. Problems with odour, durability and indeed the simple fact that you have to cut and staple the intestine make this technique risky to say the least.

Donor Skin Graft - Both penile inversion and Peno-Scrotal techniques can be supplemented by taking some donor skin from the thigh or abdomen. This is now the preferred option for achieving adequate depth if there is limited material to work with.

One and Two Stage procedures.

In many respects this is a false dichotomy, as whether or not a "second stage" is needed will depend as much on the patient as it does on the surgeon. The cosmetics of the finished genitals are important to most of us. Most surgeons will attempt to produce a convincing visual effect from the first operation, but in some case, time limitations or simply the starting anatomy simply does not allow this to be done whilst also working to achieve a good depth of vagina.

In such cases, I was one such, a second stage will often be needed to construct a "pretty" and/or anatomically accurate vulva. It is only in relatively recent times that this has become more popular. Second surgery can vary in its scope. Some like me end up having a full rework of their whole vulva and urethral opening done under general anesthesia, others may only need very minor surgery, as is the case with some labiaplasty, which is sometimes done under local anesthetic in a doctors office.

The three cosmetic procedures which can be done are:

Labiaplasty - refers to the creation of well defined labia minora.
Clitoroplasty - is the creation of a sensate clitoris and hood. This is often done during vaginoplasty but it is not always so, and SOMETIMES, if it was not so done, and if enough nerve tissue remains, it is possible to attempt a "retro fit" at a later stage.
Urethral relocation - is the repositioning of the urethral opening into a more female typical position than often results from basic vaginoplasty.

I recently and somewhat belatedly underwent all three procedures successfully about a quarter of a century after my original SRS op.

This is not an exhaustive list of terms. I'm sure others will add to it, and/or correct any errors that I may have inadvertently made. I hope it may be helpful however.

AHHHH BLESSS YOU!!! Thank you so much for your time Ms Jenny!! thats Just what i needed :)
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FairyGirl

I know when I signed the release forms in the hospital there was a whole list of procedures that collectively were my "GRS"; it wasn't considered a single procedure. I had the peno-scrotal graft vaginoplasty, but the list also included orchidectomy, penectomy, labiaplasty, clitoroplasty, and urethral relocation. There might have been more, I was too excited to pay much attention to paperwork that morning lol
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Jillary Woolen Xσx

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 22, 2010, 04:45:23 PM
I know when I signed the release forms in the hospital there was a whole list of procedures that collectively were my "GRS"; it wasn't considered a single procedure. I had the peno-scrotal graft vaginoplasty, but the list also included orchidectomy, penectomy, labiaplasty, clitoroplasty, and urethral relocation. There might have been more, I was too excited to pay much attention to paperwork that morning lol

Uggggh i bet....
I can't wait to get to that point... All i need is the money. and i'm exhausted thinking about it :(
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lpfix2009

Quote from: JocelynFreiky on July 22, 2010, 05:02:28 PM
Uggggh i bet....
I can't wait to get to that point... All i need is the money. and i'm exhausted thinking about it :(

Bless the One step Surgery w00t!
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Jillary Woolen Xσx

Quote from: SaraR on July 22, 2010, 05:53:54 PM
Bless the One step Surgery w00t!

So I take it the One Step is the Way to go? and the second step isn't always necessary?
Are both steps part of SRS? or would you have to pay for each separately?
It Would Seem that Way
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lpfix2009

Quote from: JocelynFreiky on July 22, 2010, 06:08:52 PM
So I take it the One Step is the Way to go? and the second step isn't always necessary?
Are both steps part of SRS? or would you have to pay for each separately?
It Would Seem that Way

Well my surgeon in question does the One Step, means he does the whole surgery in one session while others sometimes do 2 surgerys to complete the transformation, I prefer 1 for many reasons
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rejennyrated

Quote from: JocelynFreiky on July 22, 2010, 06:08:52 PM
So I take it the One Step is the Way to go? and the second step isn't always necessary?
Are both steps part of SRS? or would you have to pay for each separately?
It Would Seem that Way
Almost all surgeons TRY to do the op in one. It's just that some of us have awkward or non standard anatomy... and indeed some surgeons are more successful with aesthetics than others.

So some people (and particularly fussy people like me who want as complete anatomical accuracy as current science can manage) will opt for a second stage...

And yes - you pay separately - the second stage is like a refinement of what is done.

EDIT - SaraR - my original surgeon back in the 80's was supposedly a one stage man - but sometimes variations in anatomy simply make one stage perfection impossible.
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Jillary Woolen Xσx

lol for sure.
I would be much more favoring of the 1 step
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FairyGirl

Most surgeons these days do a one step procedure. I think Dr. Meltzer still requires two stage. The second step consists of labiaplasty, a further refinement of the labia minora and clitoral hood. It is a much less invasive procedure than the first stage. My surgeon Dr. Christine McGinn writes about it in depth on her website: http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/monthlytopic/read.asp?id=7

Girls rule, boys drool.
If I keep a green bough in my heart, then the singing bird will come.
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Jillary Woolen Xσx

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 22, 2010, 08:18:53 PM
Most surgeons these days do a one step procedure. I think Dr. Meltzer still requires two stage. The second step consists of labiaplasty, a further refinement of the labia minora and clitoral hood. It is a much less invasive procedure than the first stage. My surgeon Dr. Christine McGinn writes about it in depth on her website: http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/monthlytopic/read.asp?id=7

thank you ms. fairy girl!

Also I've been researching my butt off about surgeons and was going to look into McGinn.
If you don't mind me asking, what was your experience with her?
(You can message me if you'd rather)

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Quote from: FairyGirl on July 22, 2010, 08:18:53 PM
Most surgeons these days do a one step procedure. I think Dr. Meltzer still requires two stage. The second step consists of labiaplasty, a further refinement of the labia minora and clitoral hood. It is a much less invasive procedure than the first stage. My surgeon Dr. Christine McGinn writes about it in depth on her website: http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/monthlytopic/read.asp?id=7

PS The website was VERY Helpful :)
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FairyGirl

My experience with Dr. McGinn has been and is amazing. I've said it before, but she is totally my hero. She is one of the most dedicated professionals I've ever met, but she is a warm and compassionate person very committed to her patients and her work. I'm sure I made the right choice for me.

Girls rule, boys drool.
If I keep a green bough in my heart, then the singing bird will come.
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Jillary Woolen Xσx

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 23, 2010, 07:50:09 AM
My experience with Dr. McGinn has been and is amazing. I've said it before, but she is totally my hero. She is one of the most dedicated professionals I've ever met, but she is a warm and compassionate person very committed to her patients and her work. I'm sure I made the right choice for me.

That is Spectacular :angel:
Congratulations to you and thank you!
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lilacwoman

First surgeon I was sent to told me that due to delay he was unlikely to make me anything but a cosmetic slit...second one says I will have to have a colon-job to get one so I said OK.
I'm in legal battle over the delays so the extra risks etc of the colon-job just give me extra ammunition for the legal battle.
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Jillary Woolen Xσx

Quote from: lilacwoman on July 25, 2010, 09:52:28 AM
First surgeon I was sent to told me that due to delay he was unlikely to make me anything but a cosmetic slit...second one says I will have to have a colon-job to get one so I said OK.
I'm in legal battle over the delays so the extra risks etc of the colon-job just give me extra ammunition for the legal battle.

NO WAY!!!
Thats insane!
I hope everything goes well in your favor!! thats absolutely BS!
Good Luck to You!!
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