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Started by Constance, July 27, 2010, 12:44:48 PM

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Constance

Spinaltap,

Well, this most recent episode happened on another message board when I was discussing a coworker's reaction to a genderqueer outfit I'd worn to work one day. The reaction from my cisgender/cissexual coworker was mild compared to the reaction from the other member of that other message board. So, I could have avoided the converation by not asking for input in the first place. But, I guess I could have further prevented the flak by leaving my reply to "Thanks for your input."

Yes, these other folks are human too. But, it seems that if one wants acceptance, one needs to accept. To me, it's a two-way thing. I know that not everyone sees it this way. Another member had a milder though still critical response, saying that "now is not the time" for people to be genderqueer in public. When it's more socially acceptable to be trans, then the genderqueer can come forward. It's a bit ironic, because I've heard the opponents of same-sex marriage say the same thing, that "now is not yet the time" for homosexuals to be pushing for equality.

But, yes, I need to pull back and try to avoid such confrontations. And, I probably need to leave androgyne-related questions to this site, as the other one doesn't seem to pass muster.


Kinkly,

Most of the groups around here that I've found are FTM or MTF, with not much in between. At least one of the groups did seem somewhat aware of what "androgyne" meant. Perhaps there are more around here, I'm between San Francisco and San Jose after all. But my transportation is limited, so my access is limited, too. It's 2 hours one way from my home in San Mateo to my therapist in San Francisco when I use public transit. On those occaisions when I can use a care, it's about 35 minutes.

But, at least I have this group here at Susans.


Arch,

The person on the other board had said that by being androgyne or non-binary, I inflict harm upon trans persons. If I understood her correctly, she was saying that there are only 2 genders. Anyone who says otherwise or tries to live otherwise make life harder for transsexuals because our visible blurring of the lines makes it harder for society to take transsexuals seriously. At least, that's what I think she meant:

QuoteYou are re-inforcing the stereotype that makes my life harder. Therefore, I do not respect, support, encourage or am tolerant of people like you. Just the way it is. It's because of people like you that has contributed to the ignorant stereotypes about actual transsexuals that really do have Gender Identity Disorers (male or female) which has cause my pain, suffering and severe bigotry from all aspects of life. Like I said, just because you fall under the *transgendered* term does not equate to acceptance or tolerance. You are doing more harm than good to *my* cause to educate and make people more understanding.


Steph

Yep gonna get slammed for this...

First off, "What speople think of you is none of your bussiness" and when you think about it, it's quite true.  We all have minds of our own and our own belief system and right or wrong people differ and clash.  Yes oftem these differences creat animosity, alienation, depresion and in some cases hate.

I myself believe in a binary system you are either male or female, I don't believe there is a god or supreme being of any kind, I believe that child molesters should be locked away for the rest of their natural life, that there is absolutelty no excuse for DUI, I don't believe in affirmative action, and it goes on and on.  We are all entitled to our views and as long as those views are expressed in a civilized manner then they should be accepted for what they, you either agree or disagree - no disrespect intended.

Oh yes one of the posters here refered to a group as hermaphrodites.  The correct term is intersexed.

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tekla

What did Pogo say?  "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

I know that a lot of people are heavily invested in the binary.  It's that wonderful either/or.  Boy or girl?  Liberal or Conservative?  Republican or Democrat?  Straight or gay?  What?  I can't have some other choice?  Are there no other possible alternatives?

Of course there are, but you have to be able to count to three first, and you're dealing with people who can only count to two.  If that, most of them can't even count to 'potato.'

I've come to feel that in a lot of things, gender only being one of them, that you have these two sides lining up, rank and file, against each other and they really - and I mean really - hate those of us who are just wandering away from the entire mess.  They worry that if enough people wander off then they might be in that place where they are giving a war and nobody came.  And boy O boy, are they going to be looking stupid then.  Hell, most of this looks pretty silly to me most of the time as it is - as well as seeming highly artificial to me - which is why I'm wandering.

Mostly I think it's a limited - if not retarded - imagination, exacerbated by a limited - and highly trivial - education (or perhaps the other way round).  They want to know if it's pink or blue (not even realizing that those colors switched about the 1940s) and give no thought to the reds, greens, yellows, and the purples - as if those colors didn't exist.

I think at root they have such a desperate need to belong that they cling to this ancient cultural flotsam and jetsam as their only salvation.  As is said in Firth Of Fifth: The sheep remain inside their pen, though many times they've seen the way to leave.

I don't need to say anything to be deliberately irritating, my very existence is irritating enough to them on a casual basis.  And, on the higher plain, being ruthlessly polite turns out to be even more annoying.  I've always like to use the two quotes from the original La Femme Nikita and the American version.  "How nice for you" or "I never did mind about the little things."

The wise words of my martial arts teacher for two decades ring in my ears too: Never get into a fight with someone who is too stupid to know when they have lost.

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As for, Another member had a milder though still critical response, saying that "now is not the time" for people to be genderqueer in public I would respond with the following two quotes:

"If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, then what am I? And if not now, when?"
      Rabbi Hillel

We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."
          Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, April 16, 1963, A Letter from the Birmingham Jail.



FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Pica Pica

Odd that Ladyrider comes on here for only one time - and that is to deny us.

Quote from: tekla on July 28, 2010, 11:45:34 AM
Mostly I think it's a limited - if not retarded - imagination, exacerbated by a limited - and highly trivial - education (or perhaps the other way round). 

I reckon the other way round - A trivial imagination and a retarded education - both can be fixed (indeed fix one and you go a long stretch towards the other).

As for old flotsam and jetsam - I cling on to that stuff, I like the flotsam (less keen on the jetsam)
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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no_id

Quote from: Pica Pica on July 28, 2010, 11:58:07 AM
Odd that Ladyrider comes on here for only one time - and that is to deny us.
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Constance

Tekla, I think you hit the nail on the head. The hammer was a bit overstrong, I think, but you nailed it.

Post Merge: July 28, 2010, 12:10:09 PM

LR, actually LordKAT did use the term "intersex."

Quote from: LordKAT on July 27, 2010, 02:44:40 PM
IF gender is binary with no grey area, how do you explain hermaphroditic animals and intersex people? Surely if noticeably physical sex can be in a grey area so can the none noticeable parts of a person.

Arch

QuoteIt's because of people like you that has contributed to the ignorant stereotypes about actual transsexuals that really do have Gender Identity Disorers (male or female) which has cause my pain, suffering and severe bigotry from all aspects of life.

Wow. Because, you know, like, androgynes and their ilk are so much more visible to the general public...

I normally don't call attention to people's writing ability in Internet posts because most of those posts are written casually and off the cuff. But I'm not above pointing out such incompetence to someone who is behaving like a jerk. The structure of the quoted sentence defies description. "Mixed construction" is a kind way of putting it.

Yeah, I'm being mean. I do that sometimes.

"It's people like you who call yourselves mixed race who give a bad name to all us REAL black/white/green/whatever people."
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"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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tekla

I never thought of myself as any one thing to begin with, I'm a rainbow full of sound, it's fireworks, calliopes and clowns --
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Steph

Errrrr... Just because I don't visit as often as I used to doesn't mean I should be denied having a point of view Pica. I've been coming to Susan's since March 2003.

I don't believe I poop pooded anyones right to exist either, I simply stated my view.  Sure there are those who believe they are somewhere in between and that's great for everyone, it makes life so much more interesting but to hate someone here in this community is putting it a little strong.

Okay so I don't agree with you but I don't hate anyone, or disrespect them for that matter, or denie their existence etc, and yes surprise, surprise I can count past 2, and if I take my shoes and socks off I am able to count all the way up to twenty.

When it comes to dealing with "Haters" it really depends on who you are.  Are you a fighter, a carry a placard kick ass type or a more passive type? Or are you somewhere in between (damn did I just say that.) :)  Personally I got tired of fighting and simply say DILLIGAF and got on with my life, the easy way out maybe but I'm happy and if you can't be happy what's the point.

My appologies to LordKAT.

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Eva Marie

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on July 28, 2010, 11:23:46 AM

Quote from: The person on the other board
You are re-inforcing the stereotype that makes my life harder. Therefore, I do not respect, support, encourage or am tolerant of people like you. Just the way it is. It's because of people like you that has contributed to the ignorant stereotypes about actual transsexuals that really do have Gender Identity Disorers (male or female) which has cause my pain, suffering and severe bigotry from all aspects of life. Like I said, just because you fall under the *transgendered* term does not equate to acceptance or tolerance. You are doing more harm than good to *my* cause to educate and make people more understanding.

"...stereotype ...people like you...ignorant stereotypes about actual transsexuals ...really do have Gender Identity Disorers...my pain, suffering and severe bigotry... the *transgendered* term does not equate to acceptance or tolerance...You are doing more harm than good to *my* cause"

Wow.... just wow  :o 

Shades - i'd suggest you find another board to hang out on (like, say, susans) and dump the one where this message originated from. If she is representative of the membership there then clearly there is no room for genderqueer people.

What she said is really kind of funny, considering we are all basically in the same boat, whether she wants to admit it or not.
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Constance

I'm prolly gonna give up on the other board. It has few members, and I'm the only androgyne there. I was invited to join it, and doing so might have been a mistake.


Pica Pica

Quote from: Ladyrider on July 28, 2010, 03:21:35 PM
Errrrr... Just because I don't visit as often as I used to doesn't mean I should be denied having a point of view Pica. I've been coming to Susan's since March 2003.

Sorry, I meant the AG board.

Quote from: Ladyrider on July 28, 2010, 03:21:35 PM
Personally I got tired of fighting and simply say DILLIGAF and got on with my life, the easy way out maybe but I'm happy and if you can't be happy what's the point.

Yup, pretty much agree with you there. I don't think a placard ever did anything for anyone and the last petition to work were the chartists.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Steph

Quote from: Pica Pica on July 28, 2010, 05:38:05 PM
Sorry, I meant the AG board.

Yup, pretty much agree with you there. I don't think a placard ever did anything for anyone and the last petition to work were the chartists.

And yes I agree, I should keep my nose out of other peoples business. :)

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ZaidaZadkiel

haters have never bothered me, much less on the internet.

It's a matter of understanding, my own understanding.

As long as I understand that people don't have to accept anything I do, and more often than not, they don't, I can hust accept their opinion.

Another thing that always helps me feel much better towards other people, is that in my experience, they don't really mean evil.

Even those who do the most evil are trying to do what they think is good, so then, they just have a different opinion of what good is.

And there is no unique absolute definition of good, so I must accept that they may be correct in their ignorance and stupidity, just like I am correct in my own ignorance and stupidity.

Then, I can't get mad. We're in the same boat.

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Now those efftards who feel the need to point out and laugh at me IRLz... THOSE do bother me, a lot. Anybody knows what can be done about them ?
I would suggest hammer.
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Pica Pica

I suppose it's that element of going on the part of the board that you know you don't agree with, though I am sure we need shaking up sometimes.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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cynthialee

If you believe in a pure gender binary....Come live in my home for a couple weeks.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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tekla

I don't.  Try living in the real world for a day.
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Steph

Quote from: tekla on July 28, 2010, 07:47:59 PM
I don't.  Try living in the real world for a day.

Living in the real world... I tried that once; It didn't agree with me so I moved to a Galaxy far, far away :)

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tekla

Yeah, but you're back.  Could we pass the hat for your return ticket?
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Steph

Quote from: Pica Pica on July 28, 2010, 06:32:59 PM
I suppose it's that element of going on the part of the board that you know you don't agree with, though I am sure we need shaking up sometimes.

You could be right... but it's not that I don't agree; more like I don't understand.  I read the Lit, here and elsewhere, spoke with and was part of a panel at Queens University, however I'm afraid that I just can't get my head around it, just as I can't get my head around trying to figure out where the universe ends. :icon_confused2:

My problem not anyone else's :)

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Quote from: tekla on July 28, 2010, 08:12:21 PM
Yeah, but you're back.  Could we pass the hat for your return ticket?

Yep you certainly can sweetie.  I would imagine that there would be a ton of money given to such a good cause so make sure it's a big hat.  Oh yes... Do I get to keep the change.

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