Quote from: glendagladwitch on July 28, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
Wow, I can't believe a psychiatrist exists who would think it is a choice. She's no neuroscientist, that's for sure. 95% of neuroscientists agree that all behavioral traits are programmed by physical brain structures that produce millions of different trace hormone levels. One day, they say, we'll be able to give bank robbers a pill and put them in charge of the bank. We just have several decades ahead of exploring and classifying all of those millions of hormones and their effects.
Heh, if i could take a pill to be a guy like everyone else, i would have taken it. Anyone that CHOOSES to transition when they dont have to is nuts.
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Quote from: Robertina on July 28, 2010, 08:03:52 PM
I told her that I never met anyone that chose to be gay or transgendered, but she says there are many as well as many theories in support of choice - I just needed to Google them! I should have told her that there are also people who still believe the Earth is flat.
She really put a burr on my backside.
Well there are even more theories that say otherwise and a lot are not theories but have medical backing behind them showing connections with TS and genetics, soon they will be able to swab your skin and say yup, your TS, but not until the future. Being a choice means psychological studies mainly and interviews, not as reliable as medical science, you cant find the choice gene after all, but you can find the gene sequence in the Y chromosome that makes for more difficult binding of antigens to cells.
"Australia's Prince Henry's Institute this month released the results of the largest ever study of transsexual genetics, which compared the length of the androgen receptor (AR) gene in 112 male-to-female transsexuals and a control group of 250 "normal" men. The gene—which is known to make circulating testosterone less effective at signaling, circulating, and just generally doing its thing—turned out to be longer in transsexuals. Less-potent testosterone could, in turn, affect the development of the brain in the womb, "under-masculinizing" it and making it more structurally similar to a female brain."
(taken from
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-11/discovery-transsexual-gene-raises-more-questions-answers)
Post Merge: July 29, 2010, 08:25:24 AM
Quote from: JessicaR on July 28, 2010, 08:29:54 PM
Yep, those "professionals" are in the same group of religious conservatives that believe homosexuality and transsexuality can be "cured." Give her a call and ask if she does exorcisms, too.
heh, i am religious, conservative, and TS. I believe i can be cured, with Transition, as its the only treatment available that seems to work, cant complain so far, doing good, GID almost gone, but if they did have a pill to make me be able to think like a guy, i would have taken it before transition, too late know. I am also a professional, oh no!
I tried to exorcise myself but that didnt work out, i lost my voice saying "Demons out" but on the bright side my attic isnt making noise anymore. The only demon i know of is my X-Boss.
Post Merge: July 29, 2010, 10:40:55 AM
Quote from: Cruelladeville on July 29, 2010, 03:44:29 AM
There's nothing to stop ultra-conservative bible-belt worshippers from becoming doctors and medics...
This is why you always have to shop around....
There was a TV doc here in the UK a year or so back following a powerful woman about (lawyer)...whom was very vocally pro life fundamental Christian type when on hidden-cam...(turned out a US church was financing her...
She was getting many doctors to seminars in large numbers....but the undercover cameras would have made you weep....they had a very peculiar view of Muslims too.....
But then again....dinosaur fossils are object placed by devil designed to test your faith...aren't they? Oh yes...and the earth is only 4000 years old cause God made it....in seven days.
What's chilling here in the UK is that in (faith) schools creationalism (intelligent design) is put forward as the defacto stance.... and any teacher that bucks this nonsense is fired or levered out.
I pity any child that's contaminated with this crap....these people are dangerous they claim they can 'cure' homosexuals that turn toward faith and accept God...
They totally believe that your personae is a lifestyle choice...sheeeesssh!!
(But back to the thread)....and my diagnostic process
Yep....my first specialist was a female psychosexual therapist....(Harley St).....whom on my sixth visit....( I couldn't at that stage verbalise my problemo you see I was so ashamed of it).... so post leaving her office...getting changed in the loo and re-entering as me....
She gasped... sympathised profusely and said with some certainty "I'm fairly sure your transgendered....but on that score I simply can't help you further"....she did tell me though it would be a very tough journey....she was absolutely right. And did push me back to my GP (whom back in the 90's was also clueless)...I was the very first person she'd come into contact with.... and ironically actually contacted me some years later for help with her second case encountered...but I digress.
I was then shipped onto an NHS Freudian specialist....this entailed a dark room....I couldn't see him well sitting 20ft away.... after 6 weeks I realised this was utterly useless too... "did I ever have sexual feelings for my mother" (what b#ll#cks)...
I finally found an Adler based chappie which was finally, and much to my relief the only successful way into my inner-self's release...and acceptance...
And then finally I moved onto Dr Russell Reid, whom for me was highly pragmatic man, whom showed me personally immense kindness when dealing with what's still for many other medics a highly controversial field....
(This is because its fraught with complexity/misunderstandings still).... and much as with everything else no two trans peeps are ever exactly the same.... and there are many forms of inbetweenies too...whom are very happy and settled in that form....
I applaud inter-sex folk whom choose to be fully accepting of themselves as they are and in fact abhor and resist any form of intervention...
Good for them....
There is no black & white only multiple shades of grey....
Well just because some people are zealots doesnt mean religion as a whole is wrong, many good and bad things come from it after all. Even the US was founded on principles that are religious in nature. Its not really religion that is the issue as much as human interpretation of it. The bible is said to be the word of god, yet it was written by men, men with agendas who pick and chose what they believed to be right over the years, and just like a rumor circulating around a room of people it changes with each person. If you look hard, all the principles are basically the same, be a good person.
You also have to take into account that if god is superior to us, god has vast knowledge way more then we could understand, especially 2000 years ago. Try explaining how the internet works to someone 2000 years ago, they would think its magic. Think about it this way, how do you tell someone how you made them if your god: Well you see, first i created the laws of physics which consist of this and that, then i caused the big bang which turned all these fields of energy to form simple molicules of matter which came together and made suns which produce elements which when the sun dies and explodes is spread out into the universe, some of these elements formed amino acids which came together to form simple organisms which adapted to environments and made for more and more complex organisms till well you showed up. The would look at you like HUH~~~~~? I am a goat herder dude... Since we are made from the dust of stars, its easier to say.... yeah i made you from dirt ok..., as a goat herder you know what dirt is. Plus 4000 of our years and 4000 of gods years might be different, after all a year on neptune is 164.8 Earth years.
Woah all this science and religion .... making my head hurt.
I know a lot of TS are atheist in nature probably because religion now is pretty hijacked by people who ignore really what is in the book in the first place, but we bash them here like they bash us, is that the right path, you want them to understand you but you would not give the same courtesy to them calling them religious freaks, bible thumpers, etc... just like they call us ->-bleeped-<-s and freaks? Sometimes if we both put down the hate for a second you might be able to see more then what is in front of you and find common bonds to build off of.
