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"Limbo" Question

Started by Julie Marie, November 21, 2006, 02:17:42 PM

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Julie Marie

I'm still in limbo, not fully transitioned, haven't changed my name and of course haven't changed my vitals.  The further along I go the more I want to avoid being male.  But it seems there are times, other than work, when you have to.  I have a prescription to fill.  In the past I've done in in male mode, on the way home form work, etc.  This week I have enjoyed being able to work at home and haven't been in drab since last for almost a week. 

If I go to get my prescription filled dressed as me and they see a male name on the script, will I encounter any problems?  Has anyone done this and had any problems. 

I know I could easily dress in drab but I dread it.  This has been such a wonderful time.  And I'd feel like I was being disloyal to myself if I changed just for this.
 
I guess I'll be encountering little problems like this for a while, won't I?

Julie


When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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JenniferElizabeth

Hi Julie,
  I'm having the same problems here.Though I'm dressed as male at work, I do have a bit of an easier time of it. My head boss, and 2 of the 3 managers know of the real me. But, none of my workmates do. When no ones in ear shot they will call me by my female name.But, I cant wait until I get home so I can get out of my drab and back to the real me. I havent changed my name either.
The drug store thing has been changed, I no longer have to go there. My insurance, now makes me get my meds through their mail order program. That may be something for you to check into. But if not, dont let it bother you. Sooner or later you'll have to , good practice for RLT. Most pharmacies sre nutral,plus they have seen it before. Remember you're not the first one to go through this. Hold your head high and go for it. I think thats what they call getting you tough skin,where nothing bothers you. Not easy, I know. I still have some work to do on that also. But, a Tgirl friend of mine let me in on her secret. She called it : I dont give a ->-bleeped-<- attitude. That has helped me alot.
I hope it works for you hun.
                                        Hugs,
                                             Jennifer
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Elizabeth

Hi Julie,

I never have any problems getting prescriptions filled, or banking or anything else. I did go and get my drivers license picture changed to how I look now, but even before that, I never had any trouble.

If I get asked for ID, I just show it. I never had anyone make a big deal out of it or say anything about my gender incongruity. As you know, I live full time but am also in limbo and will be for the foreseeable future.  I just decided not to let it hold me back. Hope that helps.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Sandy

I don't think you'll have a problem, Julie.

I regularly pick up meds for my wife and all they ask is to verify the address and name.  So it should be the same for you.  They'll just think you're picking up up meds for your husband...

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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brina

Hiee Julie,

  Sooner or later you will have to begin living in your natural gender form. I doubt you'll experience any problems as these people are proffessionals. Simply hold your head high and be accepting of being who you are :).

  If your unaware the first 3 recommended steps in transitioning are:

1) Begin HRT
2) Laser / Electrolysis
3) Legal name change

Those 3 are pretty much pre-requisite for RLE and the sooner that is started the sooner you will be eligible to get the transformation to change your LIFE :).

Byee,
  Brina
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Steph

Quote from: brina on November 21, 2006, 05:27:59 PM
Hiee Julie,

  Sooner or later you will have to begin living in your natural gender form. I doubt you'll experience any problems as these people are proffessionals. Simply hold your head high and be accepting of being who you are :).

  If your unaware the first 3 recommended steps in transitioning are:

1) Begin HRT
2) Laser / Electrolysis
3) Legal name change

Those 3 are pretty much pre-requisite for RLE and the sooner that is started the sooner you will be eligible to get the transformation to change your LIFE :).

Byee,
  Brina

Beg to differ...

The first step is therapy as there is not much point in changing your name name if it turns out that you are not GID but something else, same goes for HRT, although it is generally not possible to get HRT without therapy.   Once therapy is started, on going, or finished, based on the determination/diagnosis then one can consider starting HRT, applying for a name change, making plans to start their RLT, electrolysis can be started at any time as any failure with the preceding steps will not have any lasting effects on the individual.  Additionally some recommend that a person go through and complete RLT before progressing to HRT, electro, and name change etc.

Steph
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Melissa

Julie, the pharmacy most likely already knows what is up just by the fact there is a male name on an estrogen prescription. :)

Melissa
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brina

Quote from: Steph on November 21, 2006, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: brina on November 21, 2006, 05:27:59 PM
Hiee Julie,

  Sooner or later you will have to begin living in your natural gender form. I doubt you'll experience any problems as these people are proffessionals. Simply hold your head high and be accepting of being who you are :).

  If your unaware the first 3 recommended steps in transitioning are:

1) Begin HRT
2) Laser / Electrolysis
3) Legal name change

Those 3 are pretty much pre-requisite for RLE and the sooner that is started the sooner you will be eligible to get the transformation to change your LIFE :).

Byee,
  Brina

Beg to differ...

The first step is therapy as there is not much point in changing your name name if it turns out that you are not GID but something else, same goes for HRT, although it is generally not possible to get HRT without therapy.   Once therapy is started, on going, or finished, based on the determination/diagnosis then one can consider starting HRT, applying for a name change, making plans to start their RLT, electrolysis can be started at any time as any failure with the preceding steps will not have any lasting effects on the individual.  Additionally some recommend that a person go through and complete RLT before progressing to HRT, electro, and name change etc.

Steph

  Sorry Steph, NOT everyone needs therapy to work thru their feelings of GID. In fact even in the SOC that is addressed. While therapy is proposed before HRT someone who is selfmedicating should be prescribed on the grounds of it being safer for the individual in question ie under a doctors care.
  And I know about the rediculous idea's of having someone start RLE before HRT. The 'Clarke Insitute' in Toronto follows that criteria. My doctor originally had contacted them on my behalf and I had considered going to them until I got their infomation package and form to fill out. I found them to be Overly invasive and far to Ultra Conservative in their approach to treating Tism. They expected me to work in construction for 1 year falsies and all and present as female without the benefit of HRT and then and only then would they 'Consider' allowing me to begin HRT. I was also informed that I would have to continue for another 2 years before again the high and might pompous gate keeper would even consider writting my letter(s) for any sugory. HOW ARROGANT of them!

  Anyhow back to my original post it presumed that the individual KNEW that they were TS. As to the steps they are listed on several if not more sites. Transgendered Care being one of them, perhaps on Anne Lawrences site as well.

Byee,
  Brina
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Steph

Quote from: brina on November 21, 2006, 06:55:38 PM
Quote from: Steph on November 21, 2006, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: brina on November 21, 2006, 05:27:59 PM
Hiee Julie,

  Sooner or later you will have to begin living in your natural gender form. I doubt you'll experience any problems as these people are proffessionals. Simply hold your head high and be accepting of being who you are :).

  If your unaware the first 3 recommended steps in transitioning are:

1) Begin HRT
2) Laser / Electrolysis
3) Legal name change

Those 3 are pretty much pre-requisite for RLE and the sooner that is started the sooner you will be eligible to get the transformation to change your LIFE :).

Byee,
  Brina

Beg to differ...

The first step is therapy as there is not much point in changing your name name if it turns out that you are not GID but something else, same goes for HRT, although it is generally not possible to get HRT without therapy.   Once therapy is started, on going, or finished, based on the determination/diagnosis then one can consider starting HRT, applying for a name change, making plans to start their RLT, electrolysis can be started at any time as any failure with the preceding steps will not have any lasting effects on the individual.  Additionally some recommend that a person go through and complete RLT before progressing to HRT, electro, and name change etc.

Steph

  Sorry Steph, NOT everyone needs therapy to work thru their feelings of GID. In fact even in the SOC that is addressed. While therapy is proposed before HRT someone who is selfmedicating should be prescribed on the grounds of it being safer for the individual in question ie under a doctors care.
  And I know about the rediculous idea's of having someone start RLE before HRT. The 'Clarke Insitute' in Toronto follows that criteria. My doctor originally had contacted them on my behalf and I had considered going to them until I got their infomation package and form to fill out. I found them to be Overly invasive and far to Ultra Conservative in their approach to treating Tism. They expected me to work in construction for 1 year falsies and all and present as female without the benefit of HRT and then and only then would they 'Consider' allowing me to begin HRT. I was also informed that I would have to continue for another 2 years before again the high and might pompous gate keeper would even consider writting my letter(s) for any sugory. HOW ARROGANT of them!

  Anyhow back to my original post it presumed that the individual KNEW that they were TS. As to the steps they are listed on several if not more sites. Transgendered Care being one of them, perhaps on Anne Lawrences site as well.

Byee,
  Brina

Ok off topic for a wee bit...

Why on earth would a person not want to find out what is going on?  Therapy is definitely a way of finding out.  Additionally most places require that you have been in therapy before prescriptions for HRT.  And yes the SOC does recommend HRT be granted to those who choose to go it alone, if for nothing else to protect their health.  I dealt with the Clarke myself and chose to seek out my own therapist.  As far as "some recommending completing RLT before anything else" in some cases is a valid option and obviously not appropriate in all cases, and not ridiculous, after all there is no requirement that you complete your RLT in the construction industry, you have to be able to live your life as follows:

- To maintain full or part-time employment;
- To function as a student;
- To function in community-based volunteer activity;
- To undertake some combination of items 1-3;
- To acquire a (legal) gender-identity-appropriate first name;
- To provide documentation that persons other than the therapist know that the patient functions in the desired gender role.

and I don't see anything wrong with that.

So did you stop working in the construction industry until the effects of HRT took effect, or did you continue while you continued your transition?

I doubt very much that arrogance has anything to do with it, more like they don't want some wacko suing their butt off because they didn't use the due diligence that the Province mandates them to use in order to maintain funding.

Steph
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melissa90299

There are cisgendered men who get laser beard removal becuse they prefer to be clean shaven. The only thing required to proceed with this step is the desire not to have a beard. I can imagine some CDs might desire this too. Whether or not to have facial hair is purely a personal choice.
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brina

Steph wrote:
"Why on earth would a person not want to find out what is going on?  Therapy is definitely a way of finding out.

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  The best pychiatrist is the one inside each and everyone of us. Of course that means being truthful to oneself. I believe most people given the appropriate amount of time will easily figure out what is going on with themselves. There are those who DO NEED therapy BUT NOT ALL DO.
)

Additionally most places require that you have been in therapy before prescriptions for HRT.  And yes the SOC does recommend HRT be granted to those who choose to go it alone, if for nothing else to protect their health.
(
I think I made my point re the above.
)

I dealt with the Clarke myself and chose to seek out my own therapist.  As far as "some recommending completing RLT before anything else" in some cases is a valid option and obviously not appropriate in all cases, and not ridiculous, after all there is no requirement that you complete your RLT in the construction industry, you have to be able to live your life as follows:
(
  OK Steph so you think that it just fine for an institution to damand that someone with GID be forced to live as a Transvestite for a full year 24 hours a day and 7 days a week before even being considered for HRT. That is simply setting someone up for failure, not to mention the likely loss of livelyhood the mental and physical abuse that very likely will ensue during this course of time?????
I happen to think that it is quite CRUEL myself!!
Perhaps the costs of your transtition have not had to come out of your own pocket. BTW I spent      2 1/2 years worring about loosing my livelyhood, before the compulsion to fully transtition simply became over powering. In short I had resigned myself to the fact that I may end up serving Big Macs or slinging coffee for the remainder of my Life! as well as not knowing how I would ever PAY for my Transition.
)

- To maintain full or part-time employment;
- To function as a student;
- To function in community-based volunteer activity;
- To undertake some combination of items 1-3;
- To acquire a (legal) gender-identity-appropriate first name;
- To provide documentation that persons other than the therapist know that the patient functions in the desired gender role.

and I don't see anything wrong with that.

So did you stop working in the construction industry until the effects of HRT took effect, or did you continue while you continued your transition?
(
  I was on a temporary lay-off when I began DIY HRT. I was called back 6 weeks later. I came out to my employer approximately 3 1/2 months after that. 2 1/2 months after that I was laid off again assumably due to a lack of work and the fact that my employer was suppose to be winding down the biz so he could retire. At that time I had about 9 months of EI and lets just say that I was unable to find work in my occupation during that time. I will go further to say that during that time of looking for work I ran into the typical gender barriers of a female looking for work in construction ie Woman are incapable of this type of work, and / or Transphobia. This solely lies with the Non-Union constractors in Nova Scotia. I further experienced further direct discrimination earlier this year March to be exact while working in Alberta at Syncrude. I was in a construction camp and had been assigned to the womans dorm. One week later the camp security knocks on my door at about 9 PM and demands to see my DL. Without thinking I produced it. Based solely on the gender marker with total disregard for my clinical diagnosis as being GID of the Male to Female type I was informed that the following night I would be moved into the mens dorm. I will add that none of the woman in the dorm had complained about my presence and basically accepted me being there. I spent the following day trying to resolve the issue to no effect. This was totally unacceptable as they had not even offered me a co-ed dorm,so I quite and returned to Nova Scotia. I currently have a Human Rights Case filed against the company I was working for. My name finally bubbled to the top of the hiring list here in Nova Scotia and my union dispatched me. I have been gainfully employed since then. I assume I am a valuable employee as non of the contractors that I know are willing to pay Union rates for unqualified workers!
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I doubt very much that arrogance has anything to do with it, more like they don't want some wacko suing their butt off because they didn't use the due diligence that the Province mandates them to use in order to maintain funding.

(
  It does NOT take a FULL year to determine if one is GID or NOT. The 'Clarke' has a very poor reputation in Canada when it comes to dealing with the transexual community and its members. Quite often by playing someone along with the carrot in front of them and then denying services at the end of their stipulated time frames etc. The power brokers there strike me as Cruel at best and most certainly ARROGANT!!
)

(
  As to law suits they are a joke in Canada to begin with unless one is very well connected or has the money to pay for a high powered attorney and specialists. Speaking from experience by the way!
)
(
  One other thing Steph. Did I not read somewhere that you are in fact employed by the government? The position is irrelavent as the benefits of government employees are quite luxurioius compared to the the private sector.
)


Steph
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Byee,
  Brina
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Julie Marie on November 21, 2006, 02:17:42 PM
I'm still in limbo, not fully transitioned, haven't changed my name and of course haven't changed my vitals.  The further along I go the more I want to avoid being male.  But it seems there are times, other than work, when you have to.  I have a prescription to fill.  In the past I've done in in male mode, on the way home form work, etc.  This week I have enjoyed being able to work at home and haven't been in drab since last for almost a week. 

If I go to get my prescription filled dressed as me and they see a male name on the script, will I encounter any problems?  Has anyone done this and had any problems. 

I know I could easily dress in drab but I dread it.  This has been such a wonderful time.  And I'd feel like I was being disloyal to myself if I changed just for this.
 
I guess I'll be encountering little problems like this for a while, won't I?

Julie






Sorry Julie, I tried to quote your post and pressed the MODIFY key by mistake; that's the reason for my name at the bottom of your post.

answer to your question

If the prescription is for any controlled substance, (schedule II or schedule III, narcotics, strong pain killers in liquid or pill form, anti-anxiety meds, muscle relaxants, sleeping pills, strong cough suppressants such as codeine, diabetic or syringe needles, ADD or ADHD meds,  certain vaccines such as for malaria, and clozaril *a medication for the treatment of schizophrenia*) they will ask to see your ID, they are supposed to.  However if the script is for hormones, spiro or any other drug shcedule IV or V, they will not.


tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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cindianna_jones

Julie,  just pick up your meds.  They already know.  It's a little too obvious. Pharmacists know what the drugs are for. ;) At this point in your life, a lot of people will find out until you have everything in order.  I suspect that you won't be able to keep the secret at work for long either.  You can bet that your peers are thinking you are gay or something.

Cindi
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tinkerbell

If you are afraid they will not give you your prescription or make a big drama because your ID doesn't match your presentation, you can always use the mail delivery service and avoid the headache.  Just a thought.


tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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Julie Marie

Cindi, it wasn't a matter of them knowing I'm trans.  I don't care about that.  I just didn't want to go to the store to get the prescription then have a problem because I didn't look like the name on the script.

As it happened I just decided to go as I was, no makeup, Khakis, a pink & white sweater top, tennies, a black ladies' leather jacket, CZ studs and a woman's watch.  I didn't have a stitch of male clothing on.  No one looked at me strangely.  I totally passed.  And to prove it the pharmacist and the checkout person at the grocery register both said "Thank you sir.  Come again."

Yeah, I can pass, as a guy!

Brina, I agree pretty much with the steps needed to be taken.  I've been on HRT a little over a year but I'm still a newby with electro.  I'm sure that's why I was read as a guy.  No one passes with beard shadow!  The name change won't happen until after I retire.  Hope to have SRS before that tho.

Steph, for me therapy wasn't necessary to find out where I am.  I've known all my life.  My therapist helped with understanding I don't have to live my life for everyone else.  Once I got past that I stopped seeing her.  The next time I call her will to be to discuss the SRS letter.

As for GID, I don't accept that term.  It conveys the image of a mental disorder.  My brain is fine, it's my body that's a problem.  If anyone has GID it's the mainstream public.  ;D

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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