any of you guys have any suggestions on what to do about ID's? I've gotten to the point where my drivers liscence is pretty much useless because of the gender marker and such.. :/ I have to provide a bunch of pieces of ID for people to believe it really is me and not a fake.. and it seems to be more of a hassle everytime I use it. What have other people done about this? Can't get the gender marker switched for a while.

I was wondering the same thing. Also if anyone has ever gotten a fake ID just for the name and gender marker. I know you could get in a lot of legal trouble for using one, but seems so tempting to get

so very tempting. I'm pretty sure they just let me into places because.. they figure it's more of a hassle to give me no entry.. then to just met me in.

Depends on your state/country.  In Oregon you need a court-ordered name change and a letter from your therapist.

It's so hard to fake an ID these days though, with the water marks and all. The only people I know who have pulled it off, took the water marks from their real ID and put them on a fake, effectively destroying the original. I wouldn't recommended it. I guess I have no useful advise for you. =/

Some people get a carry letter from their therapist.

Ha, I need to get a new university ID so badly.  It's not like I use it that often, but when I do, people look twice.  In the photo, my hair is at the longest it's ever been and I have bangs.  My friend's 3 year old daughter was rifling through my wallet at a party, found my ID and looked SO CONFUSED. She asked, "who's dat?" and I just told her it was my sister, lol.

Don't get caught with an altered 'official' (state or federal) ID.  Really.  Bad stuff.

I live in cali..n I have my gender marker changed to M on my drivers license.I just provided the proper paper work with my therapist signature.

would it be terrible, or illegal to just like, put a smudge of some sort over the 'F' on mine? like, i dunno a chocolate stain or coffee? people would just think I had a dirty wallet, and it would be rude for them to scratch it off, or to ask my gender..

name isnt a problem, its changed

i've heard that one cannot get the gender marker signed until some sort of lower surgeryor gonad removal is done.. so that seems to be out of the option.. what if i just.. scratched my id in that area.. oops?

smudge it/scratch it. no one's gonna care. if you're not telling anyone you did it on intention, it's not illegal
but seriously, people don't ever look at the gender marker. if you pass, you pass regardless of the "f" on your id. as long as the photo is up to date and your name is....not jennifer....or something. even though it even worked with a very feminine name for me, but i understand your fears..

as far as i know a letter from a therapist is all that's required for the change in many countries now, so it helps to get informed as well.

The HBIGDA/WPATH members all agree to provide carry letters to facilitate transitioners.
Go ask your shrink if he/she is a member of these groups and if so ask them to provide a carry letter.

Quote from: Tad on August 03, 2010, 01:30:29 AM
i've heard that one cannot get the gender marker signed until some sort of lower surgeryor gonad removal is done..

It depends upon where you live.  In Cali, I've heard it's really easy to change the gender marker.  Where I live, in WI, they require "the surgery". Which surgery isn't specified, so generally chest surgery suffices.

Fortunately, the State department recently changed their policy to requiring a doctor's letter saying that you are receiving "appropriate medical treatment" in order to get the marker changed on your passport, so if you are on hormones, you should be able to get a passport with the correct gender marker, which you can use for everything you need an ID for, except traffic violations.  The bad news is, passports cost $135 these days, take a couple months to get, and don't fit in your wallet. 

Edit: Now that I'm looking at the passport page, I see there are drivers license-sized passports good only for crossing the border into Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, or the Caribbean via land or sea (not by air) which can be had for $55.  Hmmm.  I think I may apply for one of those.

Quote from: s1ncere on August 03, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
I live in cali..n I have my gender marker changed to M on my drivers license.I just provided the proper paper work with my therapist signature.

btw, i am pre-op (but i've been on T going on 5 months)....I got my "gender marker" changed on my drivers license pre-T. its not federal (e.g cant change my gender marker on my social security till i do top or bottom surgery) but its better than nothing..the state of CA still "recognizes" me as male.

Quote from: emil on August 03, 2010, 02:12:09 AM

but seriously, people don't ever look at the gender marker. if you pass, you pass regardless of the "f" on your id. as long as the photo is up to date and your name is....not jennifer....or something. even though it even worked with a very feminine name for me, but i understand your fears..

lol I just recently passed at a hotel who required a copy of my ID because I'm under 21. My ID still says female and my old name (cassandra, which is pretty damn feminine) and the lady was actually talking to me about my last name and how we are somehow related looking at my ID a lot, and kept referring to me as he the whole time. haha I don't know how I pulled that one off.

Quote from: Carson on August 03, 2010, 09:27:01 AM
lol I just recently passed at a hotel who required a copy of my ID because I'm under 21. My ID still says female and my old name (cassandra, which is pretty damn feminine) and the lady was actually talking to me about my last name and how we are somehow related looking at my ID a lot, and kept referring to me as he the whole time. haha I don't know how I pulled that one off.

it's cos you travel with a pretty kitty.

Quote from: Jamie-o on August 03, 2010, 07:13:09 AM
It depends upon where you live.  In Cali, I've heard it's really easy to change the gender marker. Where I live, in WI, they require "the surgery". Which surgery isn't specified, so generally chest surgery suffices.

Fortunately, the State department recently changed their policy to requiring a doctor's letter saying that you are receiving "appropriate medical treatment" in order to get the marker changed on your passport, so if you are on hormones, you should be able to get a passport with the correct gender marker, which you can use for everything you need an ID for, except traffic violations.  The bad news is, passports cost $135 these days, take a couple months to get, and don't fit in your wallet. 

Edit: Now that I'm looking at the passport page, I see there are drivers license-sized passports good only for crossing the border into Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, or the Caribbean via land or sea (not by air) which can be had for $55.  Hmmm.  I think I may apply for one of those.

I live in WI and the only thing you need to change your state ID or DL is a letter saying you are in a gender reorientation program, also known as a carry letter.

Quote from: emil on August 03, 2010, 02:12:09 AM
but seriously, people don't ever look at the gender marker.

Well, sometimes they do. There's one liquor store I'll never go back to--even though my docs are up to date now--because they kept staring at my driver's license and giving me a look like I was some squirming thing underneath a rock.

I have a real male license now despite being pre t and op, and it did cause a problem. I was changed to male on my school record, but someone who wasn't told about this saw the f on my license and changed me back to Ms Kyle. The lady who changed me back to male was annoyed when she found this out and changed me back to Mr Kyle. If you are not eligible to get your license changed it would be best to get a fake id. People can and will use that f against you. It gives them the power to deny your identity. Some people won't care, but I'd rather not take a chance.

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Well actually...no. Get a carry letter