oh, well i mean, even doing past the first, er, part of the opening down there to get to the place you piss from in there. like, just the 'doors' i wouldnt like. erm, yeah, uncomfortable to even explain it correctly lol. but yeah im guessing it would go "in" even abit right? cause the way the travelmate alone is used is used like that, going in a bit, thats why the freedom model is different, cause it goes on the outside completely.