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Started by JessicaR, September 08, 2010, 10:13:40 PM

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Janet_Girl

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 10, 2010, 02:26:46 PM
no, manginas get surgery and don't regret it but as they live and appear as male they aren't MtF.

To each their own.  Personally I find the term disgusting.  We don't know why they may do it, so it is best left for a different thread.

Move along please.
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spacial

I'm going to confess, I'm a little lost with the use of the term manginas and apparently much of the discussion involving it.

But for my own part, I don't see why I should be subject to any specifications for clothing, attitudes or lifestyle simply to qualify as MtF.

Such closed guidelines would seem to me to be simply maintaining the very stereotypes and social enforcement that is causing so much problem for us now.

addition.

Apologies Janet. I won't comment on this further in this thread.
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Tippe

Quote from: spacial on September 10, 2010, 02:06:32 PM
Agree with you Tippe about the dangers of complaining.

Sadly, that ship has long since sailed. My reward is considerably more than a single letter. I have a long list that makes the average prison seem more like a convent. Fortunately, I am on a number of neighbourhood groups associated with the local police force.

Sorry, I don't get that, have you been criminalized for complaining or why are you refering to the police groups?

I've written a list of letters sent out through a transgender organization, which went to the politicians. We still wait a reply from the Department of Health Care on the one about the violation of quality standards and diagnostic criteria as well as one documenting that it is twice as difficult to get approved for MTF surgery as it is to get approval for FTM surgery.



QuoteHowever, I wasn't recommending that anyone complain

Actually I would like to see more transgender activists. As long as people don't speak up for themselves about what they experience nothing will change. It does take a lot of stamina and knowledge to do it properly, however. I feel unable to just sit back as a health care professional accepting conditions so far from what I've been taught they should be.
This hospital have not done any research about transsexuality in more than 25 years, but in one of their last publications the author wrote that 35% of the patients who were allowed surgery needed psychiatric hospitalization during the evaluation phase, while only one patient had needed it after surgery. This is the kind of non-support we get here. They still don't comply with SoC recommendations introduced back in the 79-version either. Honestly I'd feel bad about myself if I just sat back doing nothing about these conditions, because I see how they affect other people who aren't as ressourceful or determined as I am.


Tippe
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JennX

Quote from: Janet Lynn on September 10, 2010, 02:51:32 PM
To each their own.  Personally I find the term disgusting.  We don't know why they may do it, so it is best left for a different thread.

Move along please.

+1

I find the term both pejorative and disgusting. I heard it first used some years back. I didn't like it then, and don't like it now. :icon_no:
"If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
-Dolly Parton
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spacial

Quote from: Tippe on September 10, 2010, 03:52:59 PM
Sorry, I don't get that, have you been criminalized for complaining or why are you refering to the police groups?

I haven't been criminalised, in the legal sense. I have no convictions of any kind, I don't even have any driving convictions. My worse offense is a total of 6 parking tickets, all of which were promptly paid. All my taxes are paid promptly. I have no debts and own my home.

But according to my GP case notes, I have a long history of criminal behaviour, some of these include quite serious offenses which, on their own, would have resulted in imprisonment. The number would probably have me serving life.

These have been waved in my face from time to time.

I've learnt, over the years, to cultivate the necesary relationships to ensure that my reputation with outside agencies is such that, if these accusations ever do come out, I will have a defense.

This is the penality for making complaints against Drs.

I appreciate your point about solidarity. I would be more than willing to stand beside anyone in a similar situation. But I've also learnt, from bitter experience, to be very careful whom I trust. I also take great care of what I say and to whom.

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rejennyrated

Quote from: JennX on September 10, 2010, 04:06:47 PM
+1

I find the term both pejorative and disgusting. I heard it first used some years back. I didn't like it then, and don't like it now. :icon_no:
Actually I make it +2 because Janet was just making "official" a request that I had made back on page 2. I can't officially mod in this thread because I have contributed to it so that would present a conflict of interest.

Since my earlier post seems to have been overlooked, let me simply repeat my opinion that if one is secure in ones own identity it should not be necessary to denigrate others. It is also my experience that people who repeatedly choose to do so often seem to say more about their own insecurity than about those that they comment upon.
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Tippe

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Quote from: spacial on September 10, 2010, 04:14:44 PM
I haven't been criminalised, in the legal sense. I have no convictions of any kind, ... But according to my GP case notes, I have a long history of criminal behaviour, some of these include quite serious offenses which, on their own, would have resulted in imprisonment.

So the doctors made up stories about you? That's bad.



QuoteI've also learnt, from bitter experience, to be very careful whom I trust. I also take great care of what I say and to whom.

I probably should learn that too, I've just always been an open person. Makes me feel much more free to say, hey, here I am and I'm not ashamed of being myself. I am never gonna go stealth for that reason.



Tippe
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Rock_chick

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 10, 2010, 02:26:46 PM
manginas

I'm Old Greg!!!!

Sorry, but I really don't think that phrase has any relevance outside the Mighty Boosh.
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spacial

Quote from: Tippe on September 10, 2010, 04:35:27 PM
So the doctors made up stories about you? ->-bleeped-<-, that's bad.



I probably should learn that too, I've just always been an open person. Makes me feel much more free to say, hey, here I am and I'm not ashamed of being myself. I am never gonna go stealth for that reason.



Tippe

As preposterus as it sounds, that's what happened.

I know of a woman who was being treated for cancer. She made a complaint about another Dr in her surgery and both she and her daughter, who had nothing to do with it, were struck off the surgery roll.

The lesson is, be careful with these people. They have enormous power, are entirely ego driven and there are no laws that can stop them.
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K8

:police: Please review rule 10:

10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.  This includes but is not limited to:


  • Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
  • Suggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others

Further use of the term "mangina" or further expressions that some people are not "real" transsexuals will call for disiplinary action.

Besides, it's off-topic (rule 15).  Have a nice day. :police:

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kelly_aus

Quote from: spacial on September 10, 2010, 06:35:23 PM
As preposterus as it sounds, that's what happened.

I know of a woman who was being treated for cancer. She made a complaint about another Dr in her surgery and both she and her daughter, who had nothing to do with it, were struck off the surgery roll.

The lesson is, be careful with these people. They have enormous power, are entirely ego driven and there are no laws that can stop them.

Actually, you should report the doctor/surgeon in question to their "Professional Association", which here in Australia is the AMA. There are rules in place to prevent this, it's a fail from an ethical point of view at the very least.. In the UK, complaints are handled either through the NHS or through the British Medical Association if you are a private patient.

I've registered a complaint about a GP here in Australia and there is no mention of it on any of my records. The doctor in question ended up being struck off the register. TBH, your issues sound like you've failed to stand your ground and have the "issue" resolved. As I've mentioned in other threads, doctors are not gods, they are simply a trained and experienced tradesman. If you had some plumbing work done taht was no good, would you just live with it?
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spacial

#51
Thank you for the suggestion. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

There is a police inspector I know very well. (I think in US Police ranks, he would be equivelent to a Captain. Sorry I don't have any information of other countries). He once told me I could produce a video, time and date stamped and they still couldn't prosecute simply because jurys won't convict a Dr.

I'm pleased that your Australian medical association has such integrity. Though to say I'm surprised is putting it mildly.

Here, the BMA refuses to even hear any cases that have not been referred by a fellow Dr or the press. Drs are regularly found to have killed patients and commited other serious offense, yet have no penality.

Many people complained about Dr Shipman. It was only when he murdered the aunt of a woman who is a lawyer, that any action was taken. Before he even went to court there were lurid stories of hom going back years. His conviction was a forgone conclusion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Shipman

The NHS does indeed have a complaints procedure. Drs refuse to recognise it. Three years ago, a woman was admitted to hospital with heart failure and pulmonary oedema. She could hardly breath or move. Her daughter, who was a senior nurse in the same hospital, was with her. A Dr came in, pushed past the daughter, whom she knew personally, demanded some information from this woman. When the woman was unable to answer, the Dr told her she would have to leave and even tried to remove her bed clothes.

The daughter made a complaint to the hospital and got an apology from the managers. The Dr refused to attend. The daughter later found herself being harrassed at work and took early retirement.

Have a read at this: http://www.gosportwarmemorialcoverup.spruz.com/

I could write a whole library of this stuff. It happens daily. Most is rarely reported.

But with respect, my point was and is, that we must treat these people with caution. They are very dangerous, they have stronger detention powers than the courts, they are above the law. Their greatest asset is the unquestioning trust people place in them and the image of the caring Dr protrayed on TV.

I don't want to hijack this thread.

But I must add that, I hear so many good things about Australia. I sometimes wonder if God hasn't accedently opened heaven a little early.

Addition.

There's something else I want to add, to illustrate the situation.

When I was working as a nurse, I was, for a time, in an elderly care admissions ward. A very confused woman was admitted whose daughter was a journalist.

Suddenly, an army of cleaners turned up and scrubbed the whole ward. Old furnature and curtains were removed and replaced with stuff from the senior staff lounge. The woman only stayed for about three days. After she left the new furnature was removed.

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Cindy

Goddess Spacial
I'm very sorry to hear this. As Kelly said the rules here are tight. There was a USA surgeon (Dr Patel) who 'worked' in Queensland killed several people was totally inept. When the lights were turned he ran back to the USA.  Australia had him extradited, put on trial and he is now in goal for manslaughter. Even though he had written authority form his victims that he could perform the surgery. This is the golden grail of medicine: The patient gave me the authority to perform the procedure even though I had explained the risks involved it's the legal cop out.

The medics I work with are fine dedicated and highly trained, intelligent people. They do not tolerate crap medics. The brother and sisterhood that seems to protect these people in other countries isn't popular here. There are regular prosecutions and people struck off for poor practice. Overseas medics have to pass an English test. Overseas qualifications are not accepted without review, including UK & USA. Ok the surgeon slipped in and there are falsified document cases that get through but they are prosecuted when found out.

And yes the goddess did create Australia so her angels could migrate from the UK :laugh:

I'm sure she would welcome you :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*


Cindy

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Tippe

Quote from: spacial on September 11, 2010, 03:16:31 AM
Thank you for the suggestion. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

There is a police inspector I know very well. (I think in US Police ranks, he would be equivelent to a Captain. Sorry I don't have any information of other countries). He once told me I could produce a video, time and date stamped and they still couldn't prosecute simply because jurys won't convict a Dr.

We have a complaints board here too. Delisting doctors have occured, but is very rare. They usually end up with a warning without legal effects instead. The board however is known to criticise specific incidents or change unsupported statements etc., which is why I am gonna go to them, because many people have experienced SRS rejection based on reasons who do not exclude transsexuality according to ICD-10 criteria such as attraction to females in a transwoman or having parented children.



QuoteThe daughter made a complaint to the hospital and got an apology from the managers. The Dr refused to attend. The daughter later found herself being harrassed at work and took early retirement.

I'm very careful about that too, because anything I document might end up being held against me professionally. For instance we have an extented obligation to report certain threatment errors, yet if I do so based on the numerous records sent to me by fellow transsexuals I might end up being accused of breaching confidentially.



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Hermione01

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 10, 2010, 02:26:46 PM
no, manginas get surgery and don't regret it but as they live and appear as male they aren't MtF.

mangina is a derogatory term, and it does not mean a person.  You can't call a person a 'mangina'.  ::)

It was used in some stupid comedy and has no relevance in real life. It's technically tucking to be precise but some bright spark gave it a name.


BTW, why is it anyone's business who has a vagina and who hasn't and how the hell would anyone know anyway?  ???

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Ayaname

This reminds me of a psychiatrist I had that told me that he didn't think that what I was taking for hrt was working or would ever work. He was basically saying that he didn't think I'd ever pass and he kept trying to patronize by getting me to accept that passing isn't everything. (btw, my current pic is from before I even visited that psych. Some psychs are just dicks for whatever reason.)
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Muffin

Quote from: Ayaname on September 12, 2010, 03:11:30 PM
Some psychs are just dicks for whatever reason.

This is true and it's so unfortunate that some of us have to travel around to different locations just to find one that is human, it shouldn't be like that. But on the other hand there are good ones out there, it may be an idea to ask other TSs in your area through local support groups to see if they know of any decent ones. That is how I found all my doctors etc. Though my endo was a bit differcult, I only needed to see him twice so I bit my tongue. My psychiatrist is really friendly and helpful... a keeper! It's just finding them, without help from the support group I would of been in a similar situation no doubt :P
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Britney_413

Sorry to hear about that horrible experience. I have not yet begun RLE but this does concern me if there are very many doctors out there who are like this. These are terrible doctors in any case. Let's talk about RLE and what it is. Doesn't the term define itself? You are living for a year as you, not someone fake or with a false front. So they define it as you living full time presenting female. Last time I checked there are a lot of different types of women out there. I like drinking beer, playing pool, and I also like shooting guns. These are more masculine things but what is the difference? Do all women out there hug teddy bears at night, blanket their faces in makeup, and giggle constantly? No they don't. Do all men walk around like linebackers, revving up their giant pickup trucks, and lift weights all day? No they don't. These are gender stereotypes. Every man and woman has both masculine and feminine qualities, just some have more of one than the other. That does not make them any less male or female. Any doctor that feels otherwise should not be trusted. Men cry at movies and women change flat tires. RLE should be about you living your everyday life being you whatever that is. I've often felt that psychiatrists and counselors could often use to learn a few things from their own patients.
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Korlee

Skimmed a lil over the thread.... that really sucks that you had to go through all that.  It really does.  But that is a large reason why I refuse to see one till I have to do so.  I have had nothing but bad experiences with any therapist I have ever seen or just a counselor.  All from taking me to seriously in just speaking stress, breaking the no tell rule of family, bad advice, pills for something unrelated in any fashion on what I was seeing them, you name it.

I wouldn't trust one even if ya paid me a billion dollars.  Fools who apply their personal opinions to everything and try to judge everyone upon a book line.  When not a damn single person is even remotely the same in what they can and can not take.
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glendagladwitch

Quote from: Britney_413 on September 13, 2010, 01:35:46 AM
Last time I checked there are a lot of different types of women out there. I like drinking beer, playing pool, and I also like shooting guns. These are more masculine things but what is the difference?

I know one transitioner who recently related that she met up with some former coworkers (from a place where she transitioned so they knew), for some drinks after work, and the women all ordered beer.  Then one of the men commented to the transitioenr that it wasn't a very feminine drink.  She pointed to the other women and remarked, "I don't see you telling them that."  It's a double stabdard for women, a triple standard for transitioners.
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