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How do men/women feel?

Started by Cowboi, September 13, 2010, 07:47:41 PM

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Cowboi

This is a random question I've been pondering lately. How does someone FEEL male or female? To me it seems like the idea of being trans is based on the fact that our mind does not match our body, commonly the way to deal with this is SRS, HRT or both. I understand not every transsexual can undergo either of these things for lots of personal reasons that vary from person to person.

I guess my confusion comes into play when it gets to the idea that I keep seeing people saying they don't feel male/female but aren't really unhappy with their bodies either. How does one feel male or feel female? I feel male because I believe my body SHOULD be male, not because I like certain things or act a certain way. That is what makes me trans, to me my body has always felt wrong. So if I was happy with my body but still acted as masculine as I do now would I still be trans? IMO, no. It seems like this is up for debate though, some people seem to believe that regardless of how you feel about your body, regardless of rather or not you would like to change it (rather you can or not, rather you choose to or not) that you can feel like one gender or the other.

What is the difference that makes you feel like you're not actually male or female then? I am using the terms to describe the physical body, if you were born female bodied and don't want to be male physically what makes you trans? How do you not feel like a woman?

I guess my confusion is I was never under the impression that being male/female felt a certain way. I kind of thought that if you didn't have the physical issues you weren't trans, if your mind is just "human" and you happen to have a female body what makes you not female?

I don't get it. Please clue me in, lol.
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Farm Boy

I can relate to what you're saying.  It's been difficult for me in therapy and in just asking myself, do I feel like a girl or a boy?  Well, I don't know.  I have nothing to compare what I feel to.  I've just always been... me.  And so for years I accepted that I was a tomboy because my body was clearly female, and girls can like boy things and still be girls.  Then I realized that girls didn't wish they had a male body, and they didn't hate the feminine parts of their bodies.  That's when I figured out that I wasn't a tomboy or a girl at all, but something else.  So for me, I figured out I was trans because I felt that my body was wrong, and not because of my likes/dislikes, etc.
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Colleen Ireland

For me, it's the smile I can wear when I'm dressed.  That's something I can never do in guy mode.  When I'm dressed, I'm ME.  That's the best I can explain it.  When I'm in drab, I'm not ME.  And I can't BE me.  Dunno - it just feels right to be a woman.  Doesn't (and never did) feel right to be a man.

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Zack

Quote from: Farm Boy on September 13, 2010, 08:03:37 PM
I can relate to what you're saying.  It's been difficult for me in therapy and in just asking myself, do I feel like a girl or a boy?  Well, I don't know.  I have nothing to compare what I feel to.  I've just always been... me.  And so for years I accepted that I was a tomboy because my body was clearly female, and girls can like boy things and still be girls.  Then I realized that girls didn't wish they had a male body, and they didn't hate the feminine parts of their bodies.  That's when I figured out that I wasn't a tomboy or a girl at all, but something else.  So for me, I figured out I was trans because I felt that my body was wrong, and not because of my likes/dislikes, etc.

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Cowboi

These are similar to my personal answer, I felt something was wrong with my body, not I felt like a guy. To me there isn't really a way to "feel" like a man. I saw myself as a man, when I was a kid I saw myself growing up to be a man, it was an issue of my body not my interests or feelings. I felt it was wrong that my body didn't become (and never was) male.

It seems like this is a question I get asked a lot and I never really know how to answer it. It used to be simple enough to say, "I felt/feel male," in response. Now that seems to be followed with a lot of questions about how I "feel" male. Since the trans community has become such an inclusive/umbrella kind of thing it seems harder and harder to explain to people outside of our community how I feel and why I identify as a transsexual. Heck, sometimes it's even hard to explain to people in our community.

I don't see the community growing as a bad thing but I do see that it has grown from being just those of us who are what the medical community consider to be trans (meaning someone who's body and mind have different/opposing genders). With that growth there is now this need to confirm my transsexuality to other people when they have questions. Like I have to explain to them the difference between transsexual men and (for example) someone who was born into a female body and is genderqueer.

With the inclusion of other identities it seems harder and harder to make people on the outside understand the differences. Once I get into explaining some of the other types of identities it seems like they suddenly have a million more questions about what makes me as a transsexual different from the people in our community who share some of the same terminology to identify themselves but are clearly not actually like me (once again meaning people who identify as trans but aren't medically trans). Then I get asked things about how do I feel about other people using the term trans if they aren't transsexual, how do I see the other members of the community, etc. And it's all very confusing, even to me. I don't have a real answer for them, it's hard for someone to grasp that a trans person can be or not be trans and still be part of the trans community.

I don't know. Maybe I'll have more to say later, so far though I am enjoying the responses, it's good to see how other people tackle this kind of thing with themselves and with other people. It seems like every time I explain myself to someone I now have to explain a million of other people, their identities, how those identities tie into our community, why we accept those identities, etc. I kind of miss just being able to say I'm trans and having it be a clear obvious thing to strangers that doesn't need a million qualifiers for them to understand what type of trans I am.

Any thoughts on how to explain non-trans trans people in the trans community? Also as a side note, I'm not trying to use the terms non-trans as an insult or exclusion, I'm just trying to keep things worded as simply as possible and with all of the different identities in our community it's easier to use one term for the purpose of this thread than to attempt to include every possible label so my apologies in advance for any hurt feelings, not the intention at all.
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Cruelladeville

When small I knew I was different not like other boyz....but as I was smart & funny....I survived the bullying that might otherwise have come my way....

And looking back when in my late teens I was acutely aware that all my key friendships pre 10 years of age were with other girls not boyz....

By twelve I was desperately sure that I would develop breasts and that somehow all would finally work out and be revealed....(this didn't happen) and I remember being acutely jealous of teen girls and there blossoming into full womanhood....

However this was my appalling secret so to speak and no one knew, as such.... then I went to art school.... and pretty much buried the awful dysphoric feelings as much as I was able....though didn't work out to well did it?

By 26-27 I was crumbling internally, transitioned at 29 and had SRS & BA at 31....

All the psychological/medical test confirmed elements of AIS and defo a female brain profile.... so all I can say is I've always felt/known myself to be female and a woman... so I've know nothing else internally in fact? Except how to play act being male, well enuff to fool some, some of the time...lol

And the hormone therapy was the single biggest first leap forward for me physically; from whence forth the genie was then outta the bottle and I never looked back....

I don't know what being a man feels thinks like really....? But could probably make an educated guess if I had to....having lived with a fair few now....

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Auntie C


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