an MtF friend of mine posted this on facebook, saying how good and informative it is.   Not sure I agree.

http://www.associatepublisher.com/e/a/an/androgyny.htm

It starts off ok...

QuoteAndrogyny is a term derived from the Greek words andras(άνδραÏ,) (meaning man) and gyne(γÏ...νή) (meaning woman) that can refer to two concepts regarding the mixing of both male and female genders or having a lack of gender identification.

At this point I was pretty impressed that they got it right.  Then I read the last paragraph, and realized they really dont get it.

QuoteLesbians who don't define themselves as butch or femme may identify with various other labels including androgynous or 'androg' for short. A few other examples include chapstick lesbian, tomboy, and 'tom suay' (Thai for 'beautiful butch'). Some lesbians reject gender performativity labels altogether and resent their imposition by others. Note that androgynous and butch are often considered equivalent definitions, though less so in the butch/femme scene.

Umm, what?  I can't even begin to break down everything that is wrong there without turning this into a rant, which was not my intention.

It does beg the question though, what exactly is the difference between a tomboy or butch who unquestionably identifies as female, and a female bodied androgyne?   And why was there no mention of flamboyant gay men or drag queens also being equivalent definitions?  It would seem to follow the authors thought process.

No, at one point I did identify as two-spirit, although, being of very miniscule Native American descent, I felt a bit culturally imperialist doing so...and so dropped the label pretty fast...

Agreed, they don't get it at all.   Wonder who these "experts" are, since names and blurbs are not included with the page.   Basically, whichever entity put this, ahem, "reference" up, it  wouldn't meet a scratch and sniff test for, say a college paper reference test.

Sadly, random people getting on the internet do not know how to turn on the bull feces detector, and this is how the internet becomes a massive misinformation machine.   Knowing the difference between a citable, and therefore legit source, and one that isn't legitimate, is something I wish more of us (that being Americans in general) knew...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgyny

Now, wikipedia isn't a citable source, because just any random person can edit it, but in this specific instance , its' minus is a plus for us, because anyone (like we A/G people) can edit the page.... so if you think you can do better than the bozo at experts.com, wikipedia is going to have more traffic anyway...

get to editing, kiddo...

Oh, here's a related one...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender

When I try to explain to some people, I feel like I'm coming off as a sort of 'You had to be there' explanation. The fatal question at that point is 'know what I mean ?'. I bang my head on anything nearby. Only those who really want to know or understand, get it. Even if it takes more explanations. That type of misinformation only comes from someone who can't or won't try to understand, but can take some warped version of the little info they have and spout something stupid, hoping to sound intelligent. Because, they know or think that who they are telling this jewel of thought process, will never know how wrong they are. They don't know themselves. Which to me, gives you a big clue about that person, among other things.

Not that much different than watching political news on tv, and most of the internet news clips you can find. If it's on the internet or FoxNews or MSNBC news, you can bet theres only a percentage thats true.

Google Androgyne, or search Google news.......it's amazing some of the crap that people believe is true and correct. It's as bad as journalism has become.

Internet: massive amounts of information
Internet: massive amounts of misinformation.

Right-oh, my first reply to an AG topic in a while and I'm going to use that fact for my point.

I honestly don't think it's possible to get a completely correct, or more likely 'full' description of 'Androgyne' at any point in time.
The reason is simple: it's an 'always under construction' identity because those who claim it develop not only individually but also the term.
Take this board for example: I've been gone for, what is it? A month? Two? And now there are new people with different opinions,
that describe themselves differently and there are others who have already taking bits and pieces of those opinions and made them their
own...

If a sky would change colour every few moments you wouldn't expect a kid to learn that the sky is blue, they'd simply learn that the sky is sky.

Quote from: no_id on October 02, 2010, 04:23:30 AM
If a sky would change colour every few moments you wouldn't expect a kid to learn that the sky is blue, they'd simply learn that the sky is sky.

That just got me to thinking about the color(s) of the sky.....
Orange/yellow/purple and more at sunrise and sunset, but on a cloudy day it's all shades of grey. Stormy days can bring the darkest shades including some with green tinge. After the storm goes by and the sun is shining into the rain, there's a rainbow, sometimes two. After the sun goes down and the last tinges of violet are gone, there's a darkness that is thought of as black until you hold something black up to the sky. What do you call the color of the sky with all those star points of light? And it's surely magic that on a cloudy day you can rise above the clouds and see so many shades of blue and the tops of the clouds are the whitest of white, yet they are a part of the sky too.

Hmmm...