QuoteNEW YORK (Reuters) - New York City's health department on Tuesday rejected a proposal that would have allowed transgender people to switch the gender on their birth certificates without a sex-change operation.

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Geez what is new, right? all our hopes down the drain!  great!


tinkerbell

Despite not being a NY resident, I must admit to having mixed feelings about this and can appreciate both sides of the argument. Part of my reticence is due to my doing everything over the years by the book, with the expectation that legal recognition would follow thereafter, which it has.

Sorry to hear that, I was hoping it might spread over to my birth state.

How sad...and the reasoning behind it.... gods....    and this...

"For example, how can you send a person with a penis to a women's prison?" said one health department official who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak for the department.

Ummmmm.... how can you send a person with breasts to a mans prison knowing full well that they are not actualy men and will be the victoms of violence and rape due to there being well... women with a birth defect....

Quote from: LynnER on December 05, 2006, 06:19:00 PM
Ummmmm.... how can you send a person with breasts to a mans prison knowing full well that they are not actualy men and will be the victoms of violence and rape due to there being well... women with a birth defect....

And further, what if she has a face that couldn't even pass for male anymore--say she had FFS, but not GRS--and was sent to a men's prison.  That would be wrong on so many levels.  But, then again, what if she's straight? >

Melissa

Im straight and Im terrified of the idea of going to prison.......  Just cuz I like guys dosnt mean I want to end up someones well.... yeah....  Its scarry... very very scarry....

Quote from: LynnER on December 05, 2006, 07:01:38 PM
Im straight and Im terrified of the idea of going to prison.......  Just cuz I like guys dosnt mean I want to end up someones well.... yeah....  Its scarry... very very scarry....

True, I understand that.  I wouldn't want to go to prison either, so I'm a good girl.

Melissa

I carry a gun.  It is not just for the psychos out there but just in case I am ever arrested.  Suicide is not my top choice but I would rather be dead than raped time and time again.

What happens to the people who don't oped for surgery and they have had their birth certificates changed. They live in New York and were born elsewhere, say California. Waalaa, you have a penis in the womans jail. So they are going to have to figure out something different than a birth certificate for jails.
Sheila

Quote from: LostInTime on December 05, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
I carry a gun.  It is not just for the psychos out there but just in case I am ever arrested.  Suicide is not my top choice but I would rather be dead than raped time and time again.

Are you serious LIT?  a person can only be arrested if he/she does something illegal; otherwise, you have nothing to worry about, except for the weirdo's out there.  I don't carry a gun.  I'd petrified to touch it...LOL! Nevertheless, I have a tear gas device which I got from a friend who is a policeman.....stronger than the other versions out there and very effective to paralyze any psycho ... >

tinkerbell

This stinks to high heaven. 

If these imbeciles can't imagine sending "a person with a penis to a women's prison" how about THEY pay for the surgery!  Problem solved and their precious Puritan sensibilities won't be offended.

I was born in NYC and I cannot imagine paying for SRS without destroying any chance of comfort in my retirement years so I was very happy with the optimistic news reports that were being written about this.  Now, who knows what'll happen?  Maybe they'll let me just remove my gender from the BC and I can officially be a non-person as well as practically, especially when I have to tender my ID.

Let's not forget that NYC's mayor is a billionaire REBUBLIKAN who may lean towards the center on some things but is still a representative of the party whose official policy is geared to deny us our inalienable rights.  I smell a right wing rat (or maybe a swarm of them) whose odious presence is more disturbing than any that spewed out of a NYC sewer.

I guess it's obvious that I'm angry and disappointed, huh?

helen 

Well, it isn't over.  Nothing is over til we decide it's over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? 

Sorry, just being silly.

Really, just like anything else that the mainstream public is ignorant about, things like this just don't get passed the first time around.  It takes time.  We haven't lost any ground.  The fact that this proposal was even drawn up and that it made it into national news is a big step forward.  How many people, regardless of their reaction, became aware there are enough transgender people out there to warrant such a proposal?  This woke up a lot of people.  It's a very positive step for us.

Julie

That sucks big time. But let's not forget that we're talking New York CITY here, not New York STATE. NYC is merely one city in the state. I'm hoping that this can be introduced at the state level once Spitzer is sworn in as governor.

Are you serious LIT?  a person can only be arrested if he/she does something illegal; otherwise, you have nothing to worry about, except for the weirdo's out there. (tink)

Ummmmmm....   Thats not totaly true....  I was arrested at age 18 avoided jail but ended up in the psych ward all because I wore a black trench coat in highschool and it was the year of Colombine...... I didnt do anything wrong other than be white in a mostly hispanic school, know the rules better than anyone else, and happen to be a loaner who wore a trenchcoat....   hows that for justice....  what if I had been hideing something physicaly at that point in my life... what could have happened to me?

Quotea person can only be arrested if he/she does something illegal;

LOL.  Maybe sometime in the past but no more.  I wish I could elaborate even more but I actually risk legal action and being put into a fed prison if I do.  We're all terrorists now, didn't you know?

If anyone comes to arrest me, I will not take the risk of being put into a men's jail cell or prison.  That is a line I have drawn and I am perfectly fine with it.  If they happen to catch me without it, I used to do some stuff with law enforcement agencies and know exactly what to do to draw them into a situation where they will have to shoot.  I would rather not do that though because I have seen the toll that the officers go through when that occurs.

And no, this is not BS or posturing.  After seeing a couple of TS women who were pre-op go through what they did, I decided that I would never, ever go through that.

Julie, great quote! 

Lynn, have you ever listened to the Cruxshadows?  Someone remixed one of their songs with news blurbs about the shootings.  Mostly centered on how goths were a new, white suburban gang with very violent tendancies and a fascination with death.  :rolleyes.  If it bleeds, it leads and there is no such thing as research by the media (and evidently other schools).  Sorry to hear you went through that.

Sorry but I don't think the world was ready for this.  This type of legislation should follow greater transgender awareness,
not proceed it.  Without the proper understanding of these issues, the general public perceives these types of initiatives
as the work of liberal homosexuals.  The end result is often an angry backlash that could result in setbacks to the cause
of transgender awareness, not progress--witness the current rush to ban gay marriage everywhere. 

Dawn