So I think this is the right place for this.

My stp packer works well, I hardly ever leak &didn't need much practice to get it.
The thing is I have trouble with how you're supposed to whip it out lol.
So I was wondering if any bio guys or stp pros out there have some tips or a video or something?...so that when you take it out and put it into place it doesn't look so obvious and more natural.

I've heard that bio-guys rarely use the fly and just bring it over the top of their underwear. Try holding it at different angles to see what works best (pointing down at a 45 or so degree angle is what I've heard works). Not sure if that's detailed enough or what you're after, but you can give it a shot  . I guess it also depends on what kind of stp you use and stuff. Good luck anyway  .

Quote from: Meepit on September 20, 2010, 12:19:34 AM
I've heard that bio-guys rarely use the fly and just bring it over the top of their underwear.

Hey thanks for that, I was wondering whether I should be using the fly or just pulling em down a bit.

Quote from: Femboy on September 20, 2010, 12:24:18 AM
Hey thanks for that, I was wondering whether I should be using the fly or just pulling em down a bit.

Well whatever works best for you  . I've just heard that it's unusual for men to use the fly, but if it works in your case, I doubt anyone will call you on it. I'd rather be a little unusual by poking it out the fly than pissing my pants  . Also, for zipper flys (if you stick em out the pants as well), they're known to WRECK dicks (stp AND fleshy varieties) so be careful of that. Let me know how it goes (sounds creepy, but to be honest I don't have an stp yet and I'd like to hear what works best with what stp). Just reporting what I've read/researched  .

Oh true, if you're not careful the zipper can probably tear it up.
Lol its cool.
I don't want to go into men's restrooms and start staring at the way guys go haha that'd be weird. So idk how to find out :/

Yeah, no worries on asking  I'm sure a lot of other guys on here (myself included) are curious as well. It'll be a good reference for future-looking  so kudos to starting something on a topic potentially helpful to others. Who knows, maybe it'll save a whole bunch of other guys from staring at guys at the urinal  awkward times indeed.

First off:  I hate P'ing at urinals, and use the cubicle / stalls when available (and clean).   Barring cleanliness (stadiums, gas stations and rest stops are the worst culprits...) I will use the urinals as a third resort (If I can't stand in the cubicle for some reason).  Now, my 8 year old kid, he prefers to stand to p / use a urinal anytime over standing over a wc or sitting down  I assume that's generally the preference for GBs.

Anyway, when I have to "whip it out" generally I pull down the waistband of both pants and underwear with one hand and hold it below the sack, generally just kinda hold that waistband tight against the upper thigh so it doesn't fall down.  I then use the other hand to guide the aiming of the stream.   Once finished, give it a gentle shake at the base / balls to make sure any leftover drips are out and then proceed to pull pants/undies back up.  When shaking be careful to make sure the drips go into the urinal and not on the floor or your shoes (or those of your neighbor in a crowded restroom) which is definitely a danger    Public restroom time is generally time for men to be as disgusting as possible, hocking loogys into the urinal/ floor, rampant flatulence, farmer blowing boogers,  and i can't tell you how many people walk by the sinks without a second glance...  And there is generally NO TALKING to others except for -- maybe --  a mumbled "excuse me" as you walk too close to others.  No looking at anyone else in the eyes, especially eyes front when actually using the facilities. 

If you are using a restroom in a business office / workplace, there are more manners and people generally keep the facilities cleaner, but no guarantees. 

I've seen some guys who go "freehand" and lean up against the wall with both hands on the wall or leaning back with both hands at their waist.  I have no idea how they keep their pants from falling to the floor (which always has drips on it -ew) or how they can make sure their aim is in the right place in this position.  I wonder if they care.   A lot of the more macho-type guys make a lot of sighing, lean back and forth / sway side to side,  and other weird gruff "man noises" and mannerisms so you may have to observe to see if any of those mannerisms or vocalizations make sense.

Get the pants undone and push the waistband of the underwear down just enough to get it out (I don't know anyone that actually uses the fly in the underwear - boxers or y-front - there probably are a small amount out there though). If you need to position anything, you can use the other hand as if you're just holding the waistband around your balls. Still, only pull enough out to not piss on yourself. You don't want any weirdos taking a glance over at you. Doesn't happen a lot but anything is possible.

Yup just like others have said, generally put your thumbs down your sides into your underpants and pull both pants and undies down at once to the point it should cover your balls and just leaves your doodle out.. Unbutton if you need to. But yeah no going through the zipper! can hurt your stuffs!

I use a medicine-spoon-style STP, and what I do is I start out, after unzipping, by putting it more-or-less in place inside my underwear (vertically, sort of, with the base of the spoon pressed against the spot where it goes when it's in position). Then I pull the waistband of the underwear down to the end of the STP, then grab the end of the STP with my peeing hand and pull it down like a lever to lock it in place/sealed against me (the waistband provides the upward pressure against my body, so I just have to push down/aim/cover it). I use the other hand to kind of hold the waistband a little bit and cover myself from the other side.

With practice I've been able to do this in a fairly smooth motion that looks kind of like any other guy "whipping it out."

Pretty much similar concept. I leave my medicine spoon in my waistband. At the urinal I get in the feet slightly shoulder width apart stance, unzip and with one hand i pull down the waistband and I use the other to position and hold the stp. Definitely takes practise and the more you do it the more you'll naturally and comfortably "whip it out"

i use a packer + travelmate,,,,in order to position things securely i usually need to unbutton my pants and open the fly halfway,,,,even though my pants are really low on my hips....i don't know if it's my anatomy or the fact that my packer is the larger size...

Woah thanks for all the responses guys, its actually more of an insight for me cause I basically had no idea wth im supposed to be doing. I guess practice makes perfect, and im going to have to try to envision what looks natural.
A special thanks to Rayalisse for the very detailed explanation of  position, hand placment, and mannerisms.

lol sorry...  When I was using public restrooms more often then any other restrooms I'd zip my fly on my pants then pull down the waist band on my 'shorts' as most have said... though I haven't spent much time thinking about it... most of the time I was pissed (ar ar ar) cause I once again had to use the wrong restroom =/

When I use the urinal, I unfasten my belt, button and zipper, pull down the pants and underwear onto my hips, but covered by the jacket, and use one hand to hold the clothes down and the other to aim. I tend to aim to the side in order to avoid "ricochet".

Quote from: E on September 21, 2010, 02:16:24 PM
When I use the urinal, I unfasten my belt, button and zipper, pull down the pants and underwear onto my hips, but covered by the jacket, and use one hand to hold the clothes down and the other to aim. I tend to aim to the side in order to avoid "ricochet".

So basically most guys are taught to open and pull everything down in front just enough to have space and hold it down with one hand and aim with the other?
I heard aimimg down instead of for the back was best not to get your shoes wet lol.

Quote from: Femboy on September 21, 2010, 04:05:48 PM
So basically most guys are taught to open and pull everything down in front just enough to have space and hold it down with one hand and aim with the other?
I heard aimimg down instead of for the back was best not to get your shoes wet lol.

yes, the hold pants down with 1 hand, aim with the other is the stand-up P method I taught my boys and what I was taught as a child. 

Usually there is a diffuser / urinal cake.  That is usually a good target.  If there is a stream of running water anywhere in the urinal that will usually also diffuse the stream enough to deflect ricochet.  Happy aiming!