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Past Life Regression - A Cure For GID?

Started by Julie Marie, September 22, 2010, 05:42:54 PM

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Julie Marie

Looking for something to read at bedtime the other evening I came across a book my ex left behind.  Life On The Other Side by Sylvia Browne.  I peruse through it until I'm tired and go to sleep.  In the book she talks about taking clients into past life regression and how very often things that are bothering people in this life are holdovers from another life.  When the client is brought back, the problem is usually resolved once they understand it came from a previous life. 

Last night I read she has had many FTM and MTF clients who she has regressed.  And she claims their gender identity conflict comes from a past life.  "...ten times out of ten we discover together that they're still clinging to having been female or male in a majority of their past lives."

She then goes on to say, "It's just a subconscious spirit memory of a visage from a past life on The Other Side that's causing you to seem so inappropriate to yourself." 

Most TGs I know have at one time or another touched on the subject of past lives and if something like that could come into play with who we are today.  I suppose it's possible.  I don't have enough facts to prove or disprove reincarnation or the afterlife.  What I do know was if I thought something like regression might have resolved the conflict that burdened me all those years, I certainly would have looked into it.  And if I thought I could have found someone who had decent credentials, I would have given it a shot.  It would have been a lot cheaper than the what I paid for transitioning.

What are your thoughts?
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Fencesitter

Interesting question.

I tend to be nerdy, and to address questions such as yours in a nerdy way - though I am a Christian and therefore do not personally believe in reincarnation.

I would like to see follow-up studies of these transsexual regression session patients like... ten or twenty years later. Just to see if they were just in delusion that they were "cured" or if the regression thing was the right thing to do there.

As long as I don't get these informations, I remain sceptical. Not saying it was wrong or right, just sceptical.

By the way, if the regression therapy worked, it's not proof that reincarnation exists. If it did not work, it's no proof that reincarnation does not exist.
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Ayaname

It's something I would have definitely given a chance had I known where to find someone who's had a lot of success at it.

But on a slightly different note: there doesn't necessarily need to be such a thing as reincarnation or an afterlife for "past life regression" to work. Scientists have found that "genetic memories" can be passed on through DNA in child birth.
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rejennyrated

I have done it.

It worked well for me - not as a cure for my GID because I don't actually believe ever really had that condition but as a way to understand some things about my life.

I have successfully recovered what I believe are 12 incarnations. They are evenly spread between male and female and they span about 4000 years. None of them was anything spectacular but all of them shone a light on the things which make up my persona.

When I started out I was open minded about whether the voices that emerged would be just aspects of my own subconscious archetypes or whether there would be some existential reality behind them. However curiously I have done some research and I did discover some interesting indicative real world evidence that one of the lives, a young welsh woman, may actually have existed at the time and place that I recalled.

I also have from her memories a stunningly vivid memory of giving birth which I have written out in detail and shown to someone who had recently undergone the experience of natural un assisted (ie no drugs) childbirth. She was of the opinion that my account was such that it could only have been written from direct experience as it checked out perfectly with what she had been through.

None of that is proof... but it is interesting, and as a result I can say with some confidence that I know what it feels like to be pregnant and give birth to a son.

As regards a cure for GID I think that would depend on whether it related to a past trauma or problem or whether it was just that your spirit had achieved a place of balance and wanted to try to preserve that by living two genders combined in one life. I guess that is what I had always believed before the sessions. And what I learned in them reinforced that in me - namely that for me being trans was never a disorder or something negative. It was a positive calling. In a very real spiritual sense it was something I "chose" to do before I was born.

You can only cure something which is being done negatively. If it is being actively sought in a positive spirit then it can not be a dis-order rather it is a desire. So it neither needs a cure, nor can it have one.
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spacial

As a possible source, interesting.

As a cure? What I am is me. It took me a long time to love myself. Even the bits I don't really like. If I changed that, would I still be me>

More importantly, if I changed that, would others still be able to relate to me?

My wife, my firends in Susans', those who know me?

My hopes and dreams are what keep me going. And my wife. Susans' has started to put so much of it into some perspective.

Wher would I start without all that?
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blackMamba

I don't believe in it.  Past lives?  Ummm, prove it.  And don't tell me, there are aliens living among us?


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Janet_Girl

I am Wiccan, and I do believe in reincarnation.  Based on that are we trans because of a past life trauma?  I personally doubt it.

The reason is that how can a past trauma cause transsexualism.  And even if it did, would knowing it and dealing with it relieve GID now?  Personally I think that is would help in the next life, but not this one.  Knowing the trauma and passing through transition to the end, will then remove the trauma for the next life.

Even going through transition now could relive the past trauma.

But even if it could be shown, would I want it to stop transition?  NO.  Because I am finally feeling like a real person, not just wearing a costume.
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lauraspeirs81

I'm from a Neuroscience background and an Atheist non dualist perspective.
I would warn that even normal memories are highly highly subjective. Persons under hypnosis comply with the perceived expectations of the hypnotist and themselves. Beware peddlers of easy answers. The Human condition is beautiful, wonderful, terrifying and complex even without the introduction of extra entities.

I hope that doesn't sound too lecturing

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Laura

P.s. I seem to remember (perhaps subjectively :) ) "Genetic Memory" usually refers to a form of imprinting to give preference to maternal or paternal genomes. In a woman all of the genetic material she is destined to pass on is fixed in her ovaries by the end of infancy. "Race memory" probably represents culturalisation / indoctrination ( no less potent for that however )
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lilacwoman

[quote author=Julie Marie
She then goes on to say, "It's just a subconscious spirit memory of a visage from a past life on The Other Side that's causing you to seem so inappropriate to yourself." 
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nonsense.

there aren't enough past's to cover everyone's present's
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Ayaname

Quote from: lauraspeirs81 on September 23, 2010, 01:45:21 AM
P.s. I seem to remember (perhaps subjectively :) ) "Genetic Memory" usually refers to a form of imprinting to give preference to maternal or paternal genomes. In a woman all of the genetic material she is destined to pass on is fixed in her ovaries by the end of infancy. "Race memory" probably represents culturalisation / indoctrination ( no less potent for that however )

Thanks for clearing that up.

However it may also be worth mentioning CIA mind control projects such as Project Monarch, which gets it's name from the discovery that monarch butterflies can pass on memory to their offspring. The butterflies would migrate from all over the continent and meet in the same location where they reproduce. Some of the offspring would migrate back to where their parent came from even if the parent had already died. This theory was applied to the study of mind control where they found that keeping the subjects within the same bloodline would increase susceptibility to their techniques.
And I know that a lot of you will think that I'm entering tinfoil hat territory here, but for those who are less skeptical of such things I thought it might be interesting.
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rejennyrated

Ah but whether it is real or some part of the subconscious speaking isn't really the point. The point is does the process have any therapeutic value in some way or other.

I said in my post that I was open minded when I started. Now I lean towards belief but I am far from being certain.

I thought for a long while about this before I took the couple of sessions, the motive for which was to seek to understand myself better.

I concluded that whether or not there was existential reality involved was irrelevant, because either way the voices which would speak would come from the hidden corners of my mind and would thus even if imagined be shining a light on some small part of my subconscious mind.

Now as my goal was to understand myself better hearing those voices whether real or imagined was indeed a big help. Alison even came along with me and took notes to ensure that there was no manipulation or prompting by the therapist.

So I feel that those of you who focus solely on whether or not it is "true" have missed the point. Whether it is true only matters if you are doing it for some strange ego trip. If, on the otherhand, your goal is to understand the hidden impulses which go to make up yourself then this process can be a helpful one either way.

Thus I submit the relevant question is not is it true, but rather does it help.
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Julie Marie

Thus far no one has been able to prove or disprove the existence of God, the afterlife or reincarnation.  Oh, and yes, even aliens, although there seems to be more evidence in that area than in the others.  The absolute belief either way is the result of being told so, usually starting out when someone is very young.  But, as Jenny pointed out, that is not the point of this thread.

Some of us have paid a heavy price for being ourselves.  More precisely, for changing genders.  That's how the outside world sees it anyway.  Society believes conformity is normalcy.  It also believes whoever you were is who you should always be with certain inevitable changes such as aging allowed.  We pretty much buck that whole concept and the stubborn, the small minded, the conformists (or whatever it is that prevents one form opening their mind) want to punish us for that.

So it's perfectly understandable if any of us would wish to avoid that so long as we could still be happy.  When I was in therapy I once said I wish someone had a magic wand to make things right.  My therapist took out a clear lucite wand with sparkles in it and said, "I hear that a lot.  So when I saw this, I bought it."  Then she said she has pulled it out a lot when clients make comments such as mine.  It's not uncommon to want a quick fix, even though we know the chances of it happening are slim.

Getting back to the subject... I've read a number of books about the afterlife, mostly from the point of view from people who had near death experiences.  There's too many accounts that cannot be convincingly explained away through science.  You can provide evidence to disprove that but only if you ignore contrary evidence.  And if there is an afterlife, why can't there be the chance to have more than one mortal life?  And why would each mortal life have to be in the same gender?

Some of the books I've read talk about us coming here as a choice.  We choose to come here to learn things we cannot learn on the other side.  One author said most do not choose to come here because this is such a hard life and those who do are all heroes.  I think of that every time I see someone society has rejected.  There's a lot of positive perspectives one can gain from believing in the after life, choosing to come here and reincarnation.  So what's the benefit in rejecting those concepts?

In her book, Sylvia Browne does not say any of her TG clients were "cured".  She didn't go into much detail about them.  It was maybe a paragraph.  But she did infer there was an understanding her clients had gained from the regression.  What they did with that, she didn't say.

Right now I would never even entertain the thought of regressive therapy in helping to understand my gender identity conflict.  If by some chance I emerged feeling I didn't need to transition after all, I would end up very depressed.  I lost too much.  But I might suggest it to anyone who has yet to begin their transition as a possibility to explore.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Julie Marie on September 23, 2010, 08:53:20 AM

In her book, Sylvia Browne does not say any of her TG clients were "cured".  She didn't go into much detail about them.  It was maybe a paragraph.  But she did infer there was an understanding her clients had gained from the regression.  What they did with that, she didn't say.

Right now I would never even entertain the thought of regressive therapy in helping to understand my gender identity conflict.  If by some chance I emerged feeling I didn't need to transition after all, I would end up very depressed.  I lost too much.  But I might suggest it to anyone who has yet to begin their transition as a possibility to explore.

From my experience I think you might want to give that some thought Julie.

I certainly didn't come away feeling that I did not need to transition. In fact quite the reverse. It helped me to understand why this had been a right and necessary decision for me, something which had genuinely always puzzled me up until that moment.
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lilacwoman

Quote from: blackMamba on September 22, 2010, 09:24:19 PM
I don't believe in it.  Past lives?  Ummm, prove it.  And don't tell me, there are aliens living among us?

i don't believe in past lives but I certainly believe there are aliens among us.
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Miniar

I believe in reincarnation.
Heck, I even believe one can carry things between lives to an extent.

But I do not believe one's gender is one of these things.

Nor do I put any faith in Past Life Regression as the methods it involve are highly dubious and geared to create "any, even if wrong" results. Meaning it more likely causes you to "recall" what you want to, rather than what was.
Not that you can eve "truly" remember what was anyway.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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blackMamba

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 23, 2010, 01:58:11 PM
i don't believe in past lives but I certainly believe there are aliens among us.

well duh, I mean just look at the Fox News Channel  :D

Quote from: lauraspeirs81 on September 23, 2010, 01:45:21 AM
The Human condition is beautiful, wonderful, terrifying and complex even without the introduction of extra entities.

You put that wonderfully, thank you : )
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Asfsd4214

I dunno bout past lives or any of that stuff, but I can tell you that my having known I had had many past lives as female... would only reaffirm my commitment that that is what I am...I still wouldn't wanna be male, lol, I don't really see how one links to the other there.

Furthermore... I don't want to be cured. You might as well kill me, cause whoever I'd be post-cure isn't the me that exists now.
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lilacwoman

Quote from: blackMamba on September 23, 2010, 11:08:09 PM
well duh, I mean just look at the Fox News Channel  :D


We don't get Fox  in UK thank goodness.  I prefer to use my own eyes.   :)
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Julie Marie

I can't say if past lives are a fact or fantasy.  There's no conclusive evidence either way and until there is, being open minded is the wiser option.

Bet let's face it, no one would be talking a cure unless a problem was perceived.  Society sees this as a problem, just as they see a lot of other things are problems and a huge percentage of these so-called problems are based on ignorance, irrational fear and human (social) conditioning.  Yeah, society creates these so-called problems.

But it would be interesting to KNOW if the whole afterlife thing is real.  And if it's real, I'll come back here and let you know, if they have an Internet connection on the other side.
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Gadgett

I know my husband has read a lot of Silva Brown.

But myself I have had deep suspicions of past lives that have haunted me and that is where a lot of my GID stems from. Even though I have never undergone a regression myself it is a strong sense so I'm not up to dismissing it. I would love to undergo a regression not to get rid of my GID cause I'm happy with whom I am. But to see if there is any validation to these feelings.

This just reminds me of the old posts aboiut if there was a cure for GID would you do it kinda thing... Just my 2 cents
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