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a question regarding transition in work

Started by amandax, September 06, 2010, 09:54:07 PM

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amandax

I think I am ready to talk with HR next week after a business trip. wish me good luck. :) I just wonder normally how long it take to you be able to start work as your desirable gender after coming out to the HR if I am ready to go fulltime immediately? will I look into my first day as woman from beginning of next year? thx
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Cruelladeville

I was a director of the business I last worked for 6 months pre final transition...

Once they knew....I was summarily fired by the board.....(uber-conservative company) but this was back in 1987....

For almost too many reasons to list.... the workable reality meant take some time off....

Do it methodically (changing that is)...... then once all tickety-girlie-boo.....head back out into the real world...

It's just a whole heap simpler, and no at the time I didn't have loads of cash to make it easy.... but I just worked it through.

Looking back the only TG person I knew whom held onto her job was one that was a senior UK civil servant, and they even at this stage had a support non-discrim policy in place.... so she got sick-pay when off!
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Janet_Girl

When I finally made the move to tell my old employer, I went on vacation on the 13th of September 2 years ago.  When I returned from that vacation, it was as a woman.  And I have never looked back.

Yes I was eventually let go from that job.  Was it because I was Trans.  I don't know but I have a feeling that it was.  I can never prove it, but I have my suspicions.

Tell them, and then enjoy your new life.  We don't often get a chance to start a new life.
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Radar

I've been told my job is secure and most people seem O.K. and supportive of it. If the higher ups are O.K. with it your chances are better. Those in lower positions might complain but they have no control over firing you.

After the company announcement I decided to wait and see when would be the best time to go full time. Work decided a few weeks later we may as well start now. :) People are still working on pronouns but are getting better. Since I still go by my first name (unisex), have already been dressing as male for a long time, have been on T for awhile and most clients now assume I'm male anyway the only real changes are pronouns and using the men's toilets- which has been no problem so far.

Hopefully work will remain supportive but we can't control all of it. I'll eventually get a new job where I can start out completely male, but I'm staying here for awhile until I'm even farther into transition. I'm waiting on my name change, will need to change my name and gender marker on some things and get top surgery first before thinking of moving on. It just works out better that way for me.

Good luck with telling HR! My mentality was prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Luckily I got the best but make sure you're ready and prepared for the worse before telling the company.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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amandax

Due to some work issues, I still haven't gotten chance to contact HR on my transition. Now I think I can't wait any more, and want to contact them as soon as possible. but I will go on a two week international business trip from this weekend and I am currently work from my parent's place this week in other city due to family events. So I just wonder if it's good idea to sent email to HR this week and let them to digest and do some their own research (I will provide them some info also) during that two weeks periods, then I can have f2f meeting with them after I come back in 2 weeks to further push my transition plan. Or I should wait until I come back to office and then send the email, so I can work with them more closely with F2F on my transition plan. I prefer the first option since I think I may need to give them sometime before we can have deep discussion. but is it the interval too long?  Any suggestions?

Also should I involve my manager or the highest manager in my company at this initial stage? Or that will be the second step after work out a plan with HR? thx.

I am getting nervous but excited now :)
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lilacwoman

As you seem to have an important place in the company they may want to keep you as productive as possible while you transition so personally I'd go on the foreign trip in male mode and send report in to show that you used the trip well for the benefit of the company and then on return ask for a f2f and tell them you need to transition. 

The person to tell first is definitely HR as they are the ones who should be uptodate on legal aspects of transition or at least know the legal side of your employmnet contracts and rights.   
But depending on how well you know your immediate manager and the top manager you might ask for him/her to sit in on meeting with HR so you can assure them you will continue to be a good asset .

We see cases of transitioners been fired all the time so have a read up on company or associate policy and perhaps even contact any local LGBT organisations that may have an idea of how transitioners are treated locally.   Newspaper websites, Better Business Bureau, etc  might bring something up.

Good luck.
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Radar

What I would personally do is talk to your HR first and face to face. That way you can answer any questions and concerns right away. That might help to ease any concerns and anxiety they might have since they may have little to no experience with this.

I would talk to HR but not your manager(s) first. See what HR says and their suggestions and game plan. There's the possibility your manager(s) may not like the idea too much but if you already have HR on your side it could only help. Be sure to research- and have HR do as well- the company's policies (or lack of) on transitioning and your rights. If you are protected then if someone gives you a hard time and tries to violate your work rights you can show it to them.

When coming out at work it's important to research, find out the company's policies, your rights, plan for the worst (have a back-up plan) but mentally prepare yourself to be diplomatic and work with people yet stand your ground on transitioning. Work transition packages (like on Susan's site) help immensely too since it's professional, gives your employer information about trans issues, spells out your transition plans and shows them you're prepared. You can use the models from this site and customize them to your needs. No matter what remember you have to do it sooner or later so don't wait forever. Good luck!
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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amandax

Thanks for the advice. so you all think I should hold my email to HR until I am ready for F2F meeting? The Head of HR actually is in San Jose, CA and worked for Yahoo before, so I will assume she will have knowledge of transgender issue. Plus even I come back from my trip, I still can't meet her since I am in Texas but I will meet the local HR manager instead.  So initial email only communication may not be a good idea for my transition? I just can't wait to kick off my work transition process and get into fulltime as soon as possible :(
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Janet_Girl

I would contact your local HR first.  They will pass it up the line.  If the HR head needs more info they will contact you.
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lilacwoman

an email might just trigger 'OMG! we don't want a ->-bleeped-<- working for us!' while a face to face will let them connect your name with your work performance and if you are nice and relaxed and confident as you meet and explain why you need to transition they won't scream at you to get out.

In my early transition I worried every time I had to go meet anyone but found that not many of my fears actually happened.

I think we TS have to constantly bear in mind the fact that the vast majority of other people will have seen dozens of Springer-type shows where weird men in dresses have provided a funny spectacle for the audience so it is up to us to show that we aren't like that. 
Sending your HR an email saying transsexual will trigger those negative memories but if a nice confident productive worker says he feels like a woman and needs help to transition the memories will not surface.
Has your company any recruitment or policy documents or press releases that mention diversity?

On the other hand maybe your HR is really au fait with TS things and an email might be all that is needed.
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Radar

I completely agree with everything Lilacwoman said.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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amandax

OK, I eventually walk out my big step into my full transition. I had a first talk with our HR director in Sillicon Valley, California over the phone on my transition! A little dispointed to me that, she doesn't have much knowledge and experiene on transgender while I thought she has been in HR roles for about 20 yrs in California and worked for some big famous companies. So I can feel she is causious to show support on my transition in this company but instead like to have more time to do some study and research. She seems worry something like, how the company and other people will react, so we will have a follow up meeting in two weeks. Plus our parent company is asian company, so she also worry that this may be not that simple just look at US office.  Is it normal first reaction from the HR?

SInce I can tell she is causious about this with her limited knowledge, so I didn't push or talk much, instead I step back and give her more time and space to make her feel comfortable to get more knowedge on this.  I told her that I will provide what ever info she want to know about. I already give here some links in my email.  Am I doing the right thing? I hope things can get better after that. We agree that we will not talk to other people in this company until our second talk in two weeks.


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Janet_Girl

do some research and find if there are laws in California that are in your favor.  They are doing business in California and are bound by its laws.
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lilacwoman

there's a lot of desert in California so maybe this HR person is an ostrich and spends most of time with head in sand?

Incredible to believe she doesn't know much about TS and work policy.

But you are being paid for your work and you can do that just as well transitioning.

make the next talk a face to face one and go looking like the friendly relaxed woman in your avatar.
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NikkiJ

Amanda, you have a valuable resource in California!!!!

http://transgenderlawcenter.org/cms/

From their home page:

Welcome! At the Transgender Law Center, we work with community members and allies to make California a state in which we can all fully and freely express our gender identities. On our site, you'll find one of the nation's most comprehensive collections of resources on transgender law, information about our innovative projects. Contact us if you're in California and have questions about our work, your rights, or the best way to create a non-discriminatory education, health care, employment, or business environment.
Better watch out for the skin deep - The Stranglers
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amandax

Thanks Nikki and all of you. I had 2nd phone calls with my HR director and this time went well and she is pretty supportive. now I will work with my local HR manager who I will have f2f meeting with her next Monday after this holiday (she is on vacation this two weeks) in TX on my detail plan and start my ball rolling :) wish me good luck.
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lilacwoman

Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Luck!
Are you going as Amanda or fully male or male with bits of Amanda showing through?
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Radar

"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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Rock_chick

Good luck hun, once you've got that ball rolling it really gains it's own momentum.
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amandax

I had a lunch with my local HR manager, in Amanda mode!! This is her first time to see Amanda. We had our first meeting in office while I am in male mode last week. The lunch went very well, she is very nice and supportive. :) she told me that if she didn't know me before, she would have never though I am a man (physically) when she saw Amanda:)  She think I will do fine, hopefully that will be true. but I am prepare for the worst.
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