Quote from: Tyler90210 on October 11, 2010, 06:06:41 PM
Yeah, I was thinking about asking the guy to wear one of the Trojan condoms with the spermicide in them when I bottom anally.

Spermicide can be problematic...I know some people where it has reacted with their insides and pretty much tore everything up.

Quote from: Silver on October 11, 2010, 05:56:31 PM
Doesn't make any sense- can't see why a transman on T would take birth control. Birth control pills are supposed to simulate the hormone levels of pregnancy to stop ovulation, right? And T stops ovulation anyway. Birth control pills sound like such a bad idea- at best I can only imagine them bringing the cycle back. I would guess it would be something like PCOS at best, and at worst, deadly.

Do you really think it can be deadly!?    I only ask because with Depo it can theroretically stay inside you for 18 months after you stop taking it.  In a much lower dose though.  Do you think it could be problematic to be on T then?  I remember when I was still on my T cream (for something non trans) and I asked if it was OK to mix Depo with T and they said that was fine and they couldn't see a problem with it.  The T dose I was on was low though, a women's dose.

Also I remember seeing some guy on You Tube who was put on Depo to stop his periods before starting T.  And if I'm not mistaking he was taking T within a few months.

Quote from: Nygeel on October 11, 2010, 06:11:01 PM
Spermicide can be problematic...I know some people where it has reacted with their insides and pretty much tore everything up.

Oh.    Do you happen to know if they were doing anal too?  And that's where it tore them up?

Quote from: Tyler90210 on October 11, 2010, 06:13:16 PM
Oh.    Do you happen to know if they were doing anal too?  And that's where it tore them up?

It just caused really bad irritation during sex. So, I guess whatever part of the body (internally) that's touching it the most.

Quote from: Nygeel on October 11, 2010, 06:21:00 PM
It just caused really bad irritation during sex. So, I guess whatever part of the body (internally) that's touching it the most.

Oh OK.  This is kind of a random question, but do you happen to know if the Trojan condoms with spermicide have the spermicide on the inside or outside of the condom?

Quote from: Kvall on October 11, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
Testosterone and progestins (such as those in Depo and in the morning after pill) are definitely NOT a deadly combination. I was on both for about the first 3-4 months of T and I'm not the only one who went this route.

Vaginal intercourse while on T is not zero-risk for pregnancy, but it certainly reduces risk. If you're using condoms, and you're only having anal sex, and especially if you're only topping... you're going to be fine. Seriously.

OK that makes me feel better lol.    And just so I'm sure on your story,  when you went on T it was a normal male dose? 

Don't know, I thought you meant "the pill" for some reason lol.

High T + high E is just not a very good state.

Quote from: Kvall on October 11, 2010, 07:22:35 PM
Low dose, and I had a very normal rate of change for the first 6 months or so. And like most trans guys I had one more bleed after my first shot and then nothing.

Cool OK.  Was the low dose of T because of the Depo shot or just because you preferred to start out small?  Do you know if a normal dose of T would screw with something in the Depo?

Quote from: Silver on October 11, 2010, 08:10:45 PM
Don't know, I thought you meant "the pill" for some reason lol.

High T + high E is just not a very good state.

No, lol.  I didn't want anything with estrogen, lol.  What does high T and high E do?

Quote from: Tyler90210 on October 11, 2010, 06:06:41 PM
Yeah, I was thinking about asking the guy to wear one of the Trojan condoms with the spermicide in them when I bottom anally.

I'd suggest never using spermicide in the hole where things are being inserted. It can cause some pretty severe irritation in some people, and the recent studies have shown that even the milder levels of irritation that you might not notice still statistically increase risk of STD transmission. But it would be ok to use a spermicidal foam or cream with a diaphragm at your cervix if you're having anal sex (if you want to be extra extra ultra safe) because there wouldn't be any bodily fluid contact with the area that could become irritated.

To your later question: Spermicidal lubricant on condoms gets on both sides. Think about the way they come rolled up in the package - they couldn't be coated with anything on just one side.

Quote from: Tyler90210 on October 11, 2010, 10:12:42 PM
No, lol.  I didn't want anything with estrogen, lol.  What does high T and high E do?

Well the only examples I have are PCOS biofemales, men on steroids, and neither are very desirable states. I believe a result would be insulin insensitivity based on the PCOS example but I'm no expert lol.

Just, why would one take T to shut down that system and then take E? But I was mistaken so apologies.

Quote from: kyril on October 11, 2010, 04:48:47 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure all the publicized pregnant men, including Scott, got pregnant on purpose after some time off T.

Only for the safety of the child I believe.

Theres a guy that i met in group a few months ago that got pregnant his first month on T, so it is possible.  Be careful if its not something you and your partner are ready for

I personally think high levels and T and E in your system is a recipe for disaster. They would most likely counteract each other but having high levels of two hormones- especially ones that "fight" each other- could really upset your body and cause some problems. I'm sure some people's bodies have handled it fine, but each persons body is different.

I agree with others that since T helps shut down the ovaries while BC hormones prevents ovulation why need both? I would just use another form(s) of BC like condoms, diaphragms, etc. At least until a hysto... if that's something you want.