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Started by Kentrie, October 14, 2010, 10:23:48 PM

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Kentrie

I have always been curious about this. If a biological female started a fight with you, would you fight back or not? I'm sorry if this sounds offensive but I've always wondered if you would. I know it's wrong to fight but what if it was self-defense?
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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AweSAM!

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I need to sleep on this one. I see myself more and more on an equal playing field (strength-wise) with the passage of time on HRT. If I'm presenting as female, why should I have to adhere to a male standard? This is RLE after all, and I'd defend myself. She started the fight, well, she chose the wrong person, as I'm tired of never fighting back, and I would defend myself. I have never ever gotten into a physical fight with anyone before, as I've used my powers of passive aggressive behaviour to inflict as much mental damage upon the other party as possible until the conflict is resolved (I can keep this up for years).

Nicky

Yes,

Any physical threat is a threat to my existance. I would make sure they regret it.



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Kentrie

I have the same problem. I'm a guy but I'm biologically female so would it be wrong to hit a girl?
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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Kentrie

Quote from: Nicky on October 14, 2010, 10:33:47 PM
Yes,

Any physical threat is a threat to my existance. I would make sure they regret it.

I wouldn't take offense to it if I saw a MTF get into a fight with a biological female because MTF's are females and there are some bio girls who can beat the hell out of bio guys and some bio girls are as strong as some boys.
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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Nicky

Well, I think it is always ok to defend yourself no matter who is attacking you.

As it stands I probably am still significantly stronger than a lot of woman my size, sucks to the person on the receiving end is all I can say.

You don't need to worry about what is fair when someone attacks you. You either run, or cause them damage in whatever way you can in the most effective way possible.

If I was still in my full male strength, yeah I would still fight tooth and nail. And really if you saw the size of some of the pacific island woman here you really would never think to go soft on them!! :o



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JennX

Depends on the size of the "Attacking female"  ;). There are some GGirls that I wouldn't mess with regardless.

But if it came down to brass tacks, I'd agree with Nicky's response above.
"If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
-Dolly Parton
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TheAetherealMeadow

I think this whole "it's wrong to hit a girl" thing is sexist. It's wrong to hit anyone regardless of your gender or the gender of the person being hit, unless you are defending yourself.
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Janet_Girl

Small, large, male, female.  It does not matter.  If I am threatened, I will defend myself.  All bets are off and street fighting comes into play.

Stronger or not.  It comes to how tricky and sneaky I am.
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Kentrie

Everytime I almost hit a girl, I feel like I'm hitting someone fragile (Not trying to be sexist) but that's how I feel and I just can't do it. If it's a boy then I'll just punch him in the face. If someone was attacking me I would defend myself, of course, but I asked some bio male friends of mine and they said they didn't care, they would NEVER hit a girl.
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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Megan

^^ Weird I felt the same way, now that my strength is completely gone in comparison (on spiro) I feel like some women could be stronger than me. While some women do appear fragile, it's just different because I don't see them as fragile like they were. Before I would be afraid to even bump into them lol... to break them or something.

Actually no, I would not hit another woman (after I transition, hormones, and surgeries and what not) if she was fighting with me. I will just not fight period, I'll just deal with it the most civil way I can without getting physical. I can't really imagine it though, I think people who fight without a really good reason are silly, and I have a high pain tolerance.

I never was in the position of being in a fight with a guy in my life, so I doubt that will happen as a woman.

If it were a guy (I'm transition here), I would try to defend myself and leave the place, but I don't think I would hit back. All honesty, even if that sounds wimpy, I am just thinking of my mind frame (if that happen).


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rejennyrated

I do not buy, never have and never ever will buy this sexist crap that "It is wrong to hit a WOMAN"

That is patronising and arrogant male supremacist rubbish of the first order.

It is wrong to hit ANYONE irrespective of gender folks!

However if you are acting in self defense then it is of course justified.

Yes most women are weaker than most men, but there are always exceptions. Yes most women are less aggressive but again there are notable exceptions. Even so I find this idea that men are so vastly *superior* physically that they must, out of their largess and evident superiority, voluntarily restrain themselves to never hit a woman grossly offensive, to the point where I am likely to belt the next man who says it to my face without warning!  :laugh: and I am not a violent woman...

Seriously folks. It is an insult, both to women, and to the very many gentle and non aggressive men to suggest that women should have some sort of automatic protection merely on the basis of what lies between the legs.

It is wrong to hit anyone weaker than you, and pretty pointless to hit anyone stronger! Therefore it should socially unacceptable to hit ANYONE (other than for the purpose of self defense) period!
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niamh

It depends. Fighting is never right but when backed into a corner with no way out then it is the only way to defend yourself. However, if there is a way out that doesn't involve throwning punches one should take it. It is all about measuring up pros and cons. There are some wimpy men and some muscular women. I wouldn't fancy my changes with a leather-butch-dyke regardless of my presentation and being on HRT or not.
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spacial

I've observed that, when males attack, they want to assert their domnance. They live in a world where their position is important to them. They rarely want to share the same social position, even with a close friend. If they feel their position is being undermined, they will try to find a way to ressert it. It may simply be banter, perhaps even cruel banter. It may extend to agressive talk, threats, squaring off, or it may extend to violence.

At each stage, if they find their opponent is a match for them or stronger, they will usually stop that line. Only later, attempting to move to the next, in their effort to reassert themselves. Sometimes, depending upon the individual, once they meet their match at any stage, they may decide to accept that. Also, if the opponent matches the attacker, but restrains themselves, not asserting any further, the attacker will usually accept his situation.

Equally, they may entirely leave the peer group. I tend to believe this is the principal reason many walk away from their jobs.

It is also important to note that the other males in the peer group will generally fit in with the relative positions, established between two men.

Males, generally, will stop attacking, once they feeling their dominance has been acknowledged or they have suffered entire defeat.


When females attack, they want to humiliate. Generally they have little problem with sharing their social position with others. Most females acknowledge others as equals within the peer group.

But they resent what seems to them, to be anyone asserting themselves over them or seeking to undermine them. Also, if they believe their own position puts them above others, they will attack those they believe, have failed to acknowledge their seniority.

Females seem to have an objective on the amount of humiliation they feel they need to impose. But when they do get to that point of humiliation, they will usually stop. Though they will generally regard the person, as having a lower status to them, from that point and will attack again if that is not acknowledged.

In my own experience, I usually have little problem with males. I am generally happy to acknowledge them as dominant. Though I found, when I was younger, that some very insecure males might become overtly sexual. In these cases, I usually needed to assert some level of my own position.

Females are a bit more difficult. They generally expect me to act like a male, to some extent at least. Once I have allowed them to assert themselves, my own situation in relation to them remains subordinate.

Other females, in the peer group will usually remain unaffected. But some may seek to assert themselves individually.

Where females physically attack, this generally is a much more serious situation. If I don't defend, they will continue to attack until they have achieved the level of humiliation they seek. This is generally quite extreme.

If I defend, since I'm am percieved as male, they will almost invariably end up summoning assistance from an assertive male. Failing that, they will summon other females, especially subordinate females. In that case, my position will end up being subordinate to the least subordinate.

I appreciate the notions that violence is never justified. Fine words but not a lot of help when you're being attacked.

Personally, if I feel there is any risk of violence, I leave.
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Randi

Never think that girls cannot inflict a great deal of damage to you. If one gets in your face and tries to strike you make her regret it! You have every right to defend yourself.
Randi
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Asfsd4214

Yes.....

My arms are tiny, I wouldn't be surprised if I was below average female strength, so yeah, I would fight back.
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milktea

ashley it is generally not a good idea to fight someone stronger than you. ya so the streetsmart thing to do is to get help.

anyway i think it's a good thing for girls to learn some martial arts...handy in a fight where you want to control the situation.
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Sadie

I  would be very careful in this area. Because, if we hit a girl as a MTF and say people know we are MTF, some man may assume its ok to hit us and use it as an excuse to do some serious violence to us because they don't like TGs. Mind you this can happen anyway, but some people just need an excuse. I would try to not stoop to their level and diffuse the situation if possible.
Sadie
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Janet_Girl

The OP asked if you were attacked is it alright to fight back.  They did not ask if it was alright for you to hit without provocation.

To defend ones self is a totally different than starting something yourself.
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Sadie

I agree if you have no way to prevent the attack, then defend yourself of course, but still even in defense be careful and do what you can to remove yourself from the situation.  You never know what the girls psycho boyfriend might do because you hit (even in defense) his girl, especially if he knows your trans.  A guy that may only try and separate his girl from fighting another genetic girl may have no qualms about beating us to a pulp. 
Sadie
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