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Answers needed ASAP - negative labels for transwomen

Started by Cowboi, September 23, 2010, 01:37:44 AM

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Iceprincess

Pervert
Paedophile (yes, I've heard this for trans people)
->-bleeped-<-got
traitor (coming from gay men)
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TheAetherealMeadow

Quote from: Valeriedances on September 23, 2010, 09:06:24 AM
It's the same word spelled slightly different, with the same intention. It's meant to differentiate between the correct, respectful word, girl. At least that what it says to me, in the context of a transgender/transsexual person.
I don't really understand how "gurl" is offensive. I've always thought it was an informal way to refer to a female, kind of like a female version of the word "dude".
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SnailPace

Quote from: TheAetherealMeadow on October 14, 2010, 11:34:11 PM
I don't really understand how "gurl" is offensive. I've always thought it was an informal way to refer to a female, kind of like a female version of the word "dude".
I think it's more along the lines of when a FTM calls themselves a "boi". 
Some people like the terms "gurl" and "boi" because they imply gender variance.  Some people dislike the terms for that same reason.
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iris1469

Quote from: SnailPace on October 14, 2010, 11:54:17 PM
I think it's more along the lines of when a FTM calls themselves a "boi". 
Some people like the terms "gurl" and "boi" because they imply gender variance.  Some people dislike the terms for that same reason.
Yes exactly.
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iris1469

Quote from: Valeriedances on October 15, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
It's offensive to me, maybe as a generational/age thing. At age 52, for me the correct word for a female is girl, not gurl. I guess I'm an old lady already and not keeping up with the times.

I did find the below entry on wikipedia which says it can be used as a term of address between gay men. But is also used as an alternate to girl.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gurl

I still dont like it, it's yechy.
such is life. ANyways I hapen to like the word "gurl" in defining myself. Because I am real and know i was mistakenly born with a pecker. So, because im real, I do not feel comfortable using the word GIRL for myself, because I was not born with a nah-nah. Inside I am 100% woman/girl but not on the outside, therefore gurl is kewl. Even if i inverted my pecker with surgery, calling myself a girl (to me) is denying that which I have overcome.... My opinion... I know there are going to be some of you that are going to have a problem with this,,,,,,,,,however, I have used MYSELF and MY opinion toward MYSELF so I dont want to hear that Im  :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah:
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iris1469

Quote from: SnailPace on October 14, 2010, 11:54:17 PM
I think it's more along the lines of when a FTM calls themselves a "boi". 
Some people like the terms "gurl" and "boi" because they imply gender variance.  Some people dislike the terms for that same reason.

Again I understand what you have said and like it........but there will always be those that are stubborn and think that by ignoring reality will simply make it go away!!!!! That which has been always will be, just as that which has never been, wont be
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clairezoey

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spacial

Sorry I didn't contribute to this thread when it first appeared. I assume you've finished the paper and handed it in.

If I may suggest that any negative names are only a problem when they carry or imply a threat. Especially a threat of violence.

Name calling, in itself, is simply childish. But it's a reflection of the current fear that decent people feel, when inappropriate names are applied,  simply because they are different.

Words such as ->-bleeped-<- are offensive because they seek to isolate and instill discomfort. The word itself is simply a corruption of black.

Calling a woman a whore, for example, implies she is less valid, based upon the notion that a whore deserves to be missused.

Calling a professor, The Bald Geek may be observationally accurate, (or not). But it undermines his position and what he is trying to do.

Any epithet is relevant only within context. When it alludes to a personal matter, skin colour, hair status, sexuality or gender, it is an uninvited intrustion.

That someone is transgendered, whatever their current status, is an essentially personal matter. It is relevant only to those expecting an intimate relationship. In any other context, to highlight what is an irrelvance, implies hostilitiy and suggests an unheathy preoccupation.
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Epigania

In addition to those stated above, I find I hate the phrase "Gender Bender".   It just bothers me for some reason.   It implies that I'm pretending to be another gender, but in my mind, I'm not pretending.


alia

->-bleeped-<-, and obvious use of the wrong pronoun.

I try to disarm the word "->-bleeped-<-" through comedy. It's one of those things thats OK for me to say with my close friends, but if anyone else said it to me I'd be pissed.
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clairezoey

delusional old ->-bleeped-<-got

pervert ->-bleeped-<-got

->-bleeped-<-got wannabee
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TheAetherealMeadow

Any term that implies we're delusional (such as "disturbed man", "confused man", etc.) I find that these ones are most popular with religious haters.
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AbbyK

Quote from: Dee_pntx on September 23, 2010, 02:53:09 AM

Well, think about it.  Wouldn't you be angry if someone called you a woman?
You're obviously a man, going by your avatar and little gender indicator and I'm pretty sure you feel good when people say to you "Hey, what's up man?" or, you know...

I'm a woman.  If someone calls me a man I'm going to be extremely upset.

I don't have anything against men, it's just that I'm not one.  Ya know?

:)
I absolutely agree with that  :)
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Lacey Lynne

Quote from: Fencesitter on September 23, 2010, 06:35:38 AM
"man who wants to be a woman"
"man who believes he's a woman"
"man who wants to become a woman"

and vice versa for FTMs

I have been called these very things quoted above ... to my face ... by genetic girls!  Hot, young ones too.  Fact is, I cannot deny any of their assertions.    ;)

I'm out of my league here and cannot think of any other names ... sorry.   

Fencesitter, you totally rock, man.  I love it whenever you kick into overdrive and exegete, pontificate and wax profound about this, that and the other thing.  The posts you've done that are long, convoluted albeit cogent and coherent amp me up.  It's like major Q factor resonance kicks in and approaches laminar flow of thought:  What a joy they are to read.  Aha!  Fencesitter is not somebody who thinks in words ... phrases ... sentences ... paragraphs ... stories ..., but rather he thinks in full-blown and ever-evolving dissertations!  Alright!  A kindred soul!   

Were we not a generation or so apart, I'd IM you.  Don't worry ... I won't IM you.  I just think it SO rocks whenever you kick into dissertation mode!    :D
Believe.  Persist.  Arrive.    :D



Julie Vu (Princess Joules) Rocks!  "Hi, Sunshine Sparkle Faces!" she says!
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Fencesitter

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@Cowboi
Any news about your paper?

Dear Lacey Lynne,
you're making me blush here, and feel free to contact me, I'd be happy as I love your postings too. But frankly, I don't like it myself when my posts get too long, however I can't seem to help myself there. Problem is, I don't think in words, but in pictures, and I need to translate them into words anyway for internet communication. (So you're totally right, I really don't think in words, phrases, sentences - you got me here!) Moreover, in my mind, I often see like diagrams and schemes filled with pictures, or many things interacting with each other and influencing each other. It's like 3-dimensional webs or snow crystals full of pictures which rotate, transform themselves and get more elaborate and detailed, and get more and more items and connections between the items the more I think or learn about a topic. They're a bit like screensavers or growing trees. In Real Life, when I discuss things with people or am asked to explain stuff, I often ask for a sheet of paper and a crayon to make schemes and drawings, sometimes it's very difficult for me to explain things without that visual help. (I'm curious to know how you think, Lacey Lynne.)

I need to put my "thought webs" into linear, ordered, structured text to make myself understood in forums, which is why my postings get long - I don't want to pick just one single item if it's strongly influenced by other things. But if I skip too much explanation of the connections, my stuff would read as confusing as if it had been written by Timothy Leary on LSD. (Scribbling diagrams and posting them here wouldn't be of much help either, I think.) Written text is step-by-step and therefore quite different from my "thought webs" at a given moment which then are simultaneous instead. I try to put the most important points in bold where the most important items of my thought webs are seated, so it's a bit less annoying for my readers to get a fast glimpse of what I'm writing. But there's not much more I can do there right now.  :-\

Also, I am no native speaker, this is another reason why I make such long postings as I sometimes lack the words or expressions to get to the point fast, or I am afraid to get misunderstood so I rephrase some of my stuff. And I have to use the words I know and I read lots of scientific stuff in English, or I use French words and make them look English hoping that they'll work, so my vocabulary is kind of well... unnatural for a forum. Plus as a German native speaker, well Germans tend to make never-ending, horribly nested sentences as you can do that with German language without a problem, and I don't break down sentences in English as much as I should. All this makes my postings sound overblown, an effect I don't like but I hope it will get better over time as my English improves. I envy those who can rephrase my huge postings in three sentences and get to the point immediately, that's much better for forums anyway. My style would be better for blogs.
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