I know if I transitioned, without a doubt, and after all the procedures then I will be a pretty female beyond the average woman. And I know I can maintain that until 50 years old, then I'll be an aging beautiful woman after that.

I won't be the hot-hot type though, but the hot-cute type, since my face is a perfect circle almost (as a guy on spiro). My mouth is really tiny in size too. I was thinking about it today, and I know it can happen. I have more guys (none gay) chatting with me then the young women in my department. I get guys just to chat with me sometimes, and tell me I look good... as a guy. It's like I have the power to turn a straight guy gay.... and I am not even trying. It just happens.

So if you knew, that you can pass, and not only pass but be beautiful would you transition as soon as you can?

I think I need to transition as soon as I can.

But what if you knew that you wouldn't be a beautiful woman? Would you still transition as soon as you can?

Quote from: Nero on October 15, 2010, 02:06:18 AM
But what if you knew that you wouldn't be a beautiful woman? Would you still transition as soon as you can?

If I couldn't pass at all, then no I wouldn't transition, since the point of being a woman is to pass.

If I was just an ugly woman then, I would be questioning if I could pass or not then, and then I'll explore my options until I find out if I was transsexual or not (like I had the past few years; I do my things slow). I still have some doubts but it's getting clearer to me that I am a transsexual.  I am. It's just that, is it worth it, where do I go? How, money? Why? That stuff right now. If I was an ugly woman then that would mean I was an ugly man too... so what's the difference besides gender so I'll go with woman.

I am still on a turtle, I am just realizing I could be really beautiful, and it's new to me... It's bizarre. I feel like it, but I don't know If I'll still do it. I still doubt... but I never want to be off my spiro again. Being off my spiro it was like I was dying.

before you decide to transition maybe you ought to go try live as a woman for a few days?

with all the info and help available these days no-one need be stuck in a closet unless they let others keep the door locked.

you sound to be passable now with the aid of a wig and padded bra so give it a whirl and see if you like it.

if you have a natural femaleness that makes other women readily accept you then you might decide now is as good a time as any to transition.

From what you've said I wouldn't recommend transition...maybe just stick to taking pics of yourself instead.

Is it easier for a beautiful woman to be a woman? Is it easier for a studly guy to be a guy? Are you are asking if a studly 'guy' who is TG  should change or not? Or are you saying if a TG woman has to look like a model then she should not transition?
Sadly I think you may not understand TG.
If you are in therapy you should raise it. I think most therapists question this area, it is very important.

I do not mean anything negative in this, gender, identification and sexuality are very complex and very personal topics ; it is core to what we are.
Cindy

Personaly, I believe the need to transition comes from within you, and the expected result has very little to do with this. Looking good can make the transition go a lot easier, but not looking good will not stop you if you need it.

Quote from: Megan on October 15, 2010, 02:02:13 AM
I know if I transitioned, without a doubt, and after all the procedures then I will be a pretty female beyond the average woman. And I know I can maintain that until 50 years old, then I'll be an aging beautiful woman after that.

I won't be the hot-hot type though, but the hot-cute type, since my face is a perfect circle almost (as a guy on spiro). My mouth is really tiny in size too. I was thinking about it today, and I know it can happen. I have more guys (none gay) chatting with me then the young women in my department. I get guys just to chat with me sometimes, and tell me I look good... as a guy. It's like I have the power to turn a straight guy gay.... and I am not even trying. It just happens.

So if you knew, that you can pass, and not only pass but be beautiful would you transition as soon as you can?

I think I need to transition as soon as I can.

That is so shallow... Either you are a woman or you arent. If you are just doing it for the looks and kicks then you probably are not transgendered

Quote from: Megan on October 15, 2010, 02:11:20 AM
If I couldn't pass at all, then no I wouldn't transition, since the point of being a woman is to pass.

Sorry, completely disagree. The point of being a woman is to be who you are.

But believe me, I really pleased for you that you have such nice features.

Quote from: Catherine on October 15, 2010, 06:57:36 AM
That is so shallow... Either you are a woman or you arent. If you are just doing it for the looks and kicks then you probably are not transgendered

It is, but she's 18.   

Remember for 18 year old looks DO mean a lot, especially in our culture where we are bombarded by beautiful aesthetics in the media every day. So I don't think we have the right to dismiss what she feels, only she and her therapist can decide if she is a transsexual, i.e. wanting to fully transition.

Heck I want to be an attractive woman too, but I am also fairly obsessive about my looks even as a man so that wouldn't be unusual for me. However, I also have the wisdom of age to realize it will be much harder for me at 38 to achieve that, so now I think passable is just fine.  I just don't want to be the one that is instantly recognized as a man in a wig with bad makeup.
(Though I am sure I will be during that awkward part of transition.)

Megan,

The need for beauty is common to the female gender, especially at your age. However, there is so much more to being a woman. Beauty is so fleeting. Most women have only a few short years of being 'hot'; hardly worth transitioning for. From your posts, we get that you need to be beautiful. And that's understandable. It's a common want for most people. Most women and men would prefer to be beautiful. But who is Megan besides that? Isn't there something more you want/need from life as a woman? A woman is more than eye candy. And so are you.

We're here to listen, to help. And to be honest when a line of thinking is worrisome.

If I knew that I was going to be a pretty woman, I would transition.  If I know I would make an ugly woman, I would transition.

It is better to be a happy ugly woman, than a good looking man, at least in my book.

Transition because you have to, not because you can pass 100%.  That would lead you to being a statistic on the Day of Remembrance.

The goal of transitioning is not for beauty, its for finding balance and making sense of the world that makes no sense now.  If your decision on transitioning pivots on whether you will pass or not, then you will not be happy when you transition because your doing it for the wrong reason.  Guess what their are some pretty ugly gg women out there and they cope, i met one that i thought was a guy even, but she wasn't.  She has to live her life like anyone else. 

The truth is i didnt know if i would turn out good or bad, i thought i wouldnt be passable without FFS surgery, but to my surprise things worked out after i put 2 years of hard work shaping myself up and continue to do so.  whether or not this was the outcome i would still be doing what i am doing now and being the best woman i can be, but more so just be myself.  If the reason your transitioning is to live some glamor lifestyle as a TS woman that has all the guys attention, you will only find emptiness in your future, all you will do is wake up one morning and find yourself and cheap, empty, and used.

There is a lot more to being a woman then just looks, as is their is more to being a man then just muscle.

We have a long running comedy program on British TV.

This is one of the principal love interests. har name is Nora Batty.

http://www.universal-playback.com/assets/images/0011/5664/kathy-staff-as-nora-batty-in-last-of-the-summer-wine.jpg?1253808791

The actress was Kathy Staff. Sadly she died recently. But she was a very tallented actress.

Quote from: spacial on October 15, 2010, 11:58:29 AM
We have a long running comedy program on British TV.

This is one of the principal love interests. har name is Nora Batty.

http://www.universal-playback.com/assets/images/0011/5664/kathy-staff-as-nora-batty-in-last-of-the-summer-wine.jpg?1253808791

The actress was Kathy Staff. Sadly she died recently. But she was a very tallented actress.

I love it spacial, Nora Batty was indeed a very tallented actress, was it ''last of the summer wine'' OMG she was so so funny, even now I laugh as I post, she was definitely able to deal with men, thank you for making me smile, if I was ever half the woman she was..............

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I am facing the not so pretty possibility and yet the force within is so strong that it shall not waver. If transitioning would be based on just vanity alone nearly all of us would be stuck with ever persistent dysphoria. Transition from masculinity to femininity is just that and nothing more. Yes I want to be pretty but first I want to be "ME"

Quote from: Catherine on October 15, 2010, 06:57:36 AM
That is so shallow... Either you are a woman or you arent. If you are just doing it for the looks and kicks then you probably are not transgendered

Let's not get judgmental if I am shallow or not, since it's not about being shallow, it's about being loved and adored.

I am just saying I do not want to "look" like a transsexual, not that being transsexual is bad, but looking like one is frown upon society. I won't pay a bunch of money just to look like a transsexual, since I see a ton of examples in reality, internet, here, that if you do not pass then you're just a man in a dress. I am not going to live in an illusion like so many others that taking hormones and wearing a dress will make you passable, and make myself into an avatar of my joy. Even when all the norm of society thinks, "What a freak, ->-bleeped-<-, loser blah blah"

I am very judgmental of myself as a guy by the way, so transsexual or not, it's my personality to be hyper active of my image that I am giving across as a person. Check beauty, and I have a thread about turning gay men on. Passing to me is the most important quality.

I still believe I am transsexual though, since I just want to be a woman, but I can live with myself some times. Just last night was a very "transsexual" night for me.

I guess I am not a transsexual, that would be a blessing wouldn't it? It's not like it's that incredible of a term that I should be really proud of... I would want to be NON-transsexual as much as I want too. I am fighting it daily, don't be transsexual. But still I believe I am....

But being transsexual doesn't define me, being anything doesn't. Heck I am a weird person inside and out, and I like that, even among the transsexuals I am a freak. The norm of society, I am a freak. With anyone I am different, like I live on a different planet. And I love myself, inside.

Quote from: Megan on October 15, 2010, 02:12:13 PM
Let's not get judgmental if I am shallow or not, since it's not about being shallow, it's about being loved and adored.

Sadly no, its not. If turning into a woman, or a beautiful woman is for this purpose, you will not be happy when you transition.  The reason your transitioning is external, for the love and adoration of who? someone else, everything external is fleeting, you will find eventually that all that ends and your left in the same place you started from.

Being loved and adored by people is a product of character and not looks.  There is more to a woman then just her looks, sometimes a man falls in love with you for the quirky things you say and do, or even the most simple ways you express yourself, or treat him when hes with you.  You can have a fast affairs and hot dates and get by with your looks, but once you hit your 30s, you will turn around to find yourself with a man who has no feelings for you outside whats in his pants, and you will understand how really cheap, shallow, and empty that version of womanhood can be. 

If this is truly the reason for your transition, i would advise against it and go see a therapist to work passed your issues, TS may not be one of them.

Quote from: Izumi on October 15, 2010, 03:09:38 PM
Sadly no, its not. If turning into a woman, or a beautiful woman is for this purpose, you will not be happy when you transition.  The reason your transitioning is external, for the love and adoration of who? someone else, everything external is fleeting, you will find eventually that all that ends and your left in the same place you started from.

Being loved and adored by people is a product of character and not looks.  There is more to a woman then just her looks, sometimes a man falls in love with you for the quirky things you say and do, or even the most simple ways you express yourself, or treat him when hes with you.  You can have a fast affairs and hot dates and get by with your looks, but once you hit your 30s, you will turn around to find yourself with a man who has no feelings for you outside whats in his pants, and you will understand how really cheap, shallow, and empty that version of womanhood can be. 

If this is truly the reason for your transition, i would advise against it and go see a therapist to work passed your issues, TS may not be one of them.

Well I guess I am not transsexual then, bye everyone.