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Started by Julie Marie, December 10, 2006, 09:35:25 PM

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Julie Marie

If you know me you would never call me a Buddhist but I have been reading books on Buddhism and Eastern Philosophy for more than a year now.  The first book I read was "Buddhism, Plain and Simple".  I was reluctant at first because I had images in my head of men in robes walking around chanting.  But just like anything else, if you don't open yourself to knowledge you'll forever have your head in the sand.

As I read the book I found myself thinking, "This sounds like a belief system that's designed for TGs."  It's a very logical approach to life and, if you follow the basic premise of it, accepting others for who they are is one of the more important practices a Buddhist follows.

From what I've learned, followers of Buddhism care more about your inner self than what you look like, how successful you are or how popular you are.  They see life for exactly what it is and don't put a spin on it, not theirs or anyone else's.  When a person comes up to you and says your shoelaces are untied, it doesn't mean you're a dummy or they noticed something you missed or that you're just like a little kid and need to be told something as obvious as that.  It just means your shoelaces are untied, nothing more.

Apply that to being TG and instead of seeing a man dressed as a woman or a woman dressed as a man, they simply see a person who has clothes on.  While their attire may say something about them, they pass no judgement on it.  You are who you are.

A lot of the inner peace I have achieved has come from the lessons I have learned and applying them to my life.  If someone tells me I'm wrong I don't take that as a challenge to prove I'm right.  It just tells me they disagree with me.  There is no effect on me, the person.  I am still the same.  When someone tells me I'm nuts for transitioning, I know they disagree with my decision and I recognize they have their opinions and, just like me, they have a right to their opinions.  Their opinion has no effect on me.

My children distancing themselves from me was at first devastating.  This ate away at me incessantly.  It was a cancer in my soul and I anguished about all the time.  Once I opened my eyes I realized this has no bearing on me and who I am  They are just misinformed and at some time in their lives they will understand.  If that never happens then it never happens.  While I would love for them to be an active part of my life, I hold no ill will towards them nor do I beat myself up about my decision nor do I anguish about it any more.  It just is what it is. 

Another aspect I like about Buddhism is disassociating oneself from Ego.  Ego is the reason we take things personally.  And when we take things personally, other things get stirred up and before you know it we are a bundle of stressed out nerves.  Wanting to rid myself of that feeling is one reason I've adopted some of the teachings of Buddha.  This has lead to an inner peace I have never known.  I won't go back to my old way of thinking anymore than I'll go back to living life as a man.  I like living in peace.

In its strictest sense Buddhism certainly isn't for everyone.  But in a general sense I feel there's something everyone can adopt from Buddhism that will make their life better.  It certainly has mine.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Kate

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 10, 2006, 09:35:25 PM
In its strictest sense Buddhism certainly isn't for everyone.  But in a general sense I feel there's something everyone can adopt from Buddhism that will make their life better.  It certainly has mine.

I stumbled upon Zen a few decades ago. God, what a cruel fate for an overthinker like me, lol... I twisted and turned for years, squirmed and cursed, threw the books against the wall, decided it was a bunch of BS, hated them more for it all, bought more books...

And one day, walking from my office to the CAD room, someone said something to me. I don't remember what. Doesn't matter. But something inside me broke, and I couldn't stop laughing, lol...

And I STILL haven't... ;)
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tinkerbell

You're right, Julie.  Most of the buddhist beliefs can actually be applied to transsexualism.  In fact, I guess you could say that gender therapy focuses mainly on some of the famous buddhist quotes like these: 

"Emptiness is infact form when we forget the self. There's nothing in the universe *other* than ourself. Nothing to compare, name, or identify. When it's the only thing there is, how can we talk about it??"

"When you expect something, when you aim at something, right there you dilute your energy; you split your energy, you split your attention and it becomes more than the place of yin and yang. You do not only divide, but you create the problem"

"Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Suffering follows an evil thought as the wheels of a cart follow the oxen that draws it. Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Joy follows a pure thought like a shadow that never leaves."

"Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification but through fidelity to a worthy purpose'


I personally love this one from Taizan Maezumi:

"Just live that life. It doesn't matter whether it is life or hell, life of the hungry ghost, life of the animal, it's okay; just live that life, see. And as a matter of fact no other way. Where you stand, where you are, that's what your life is right there, regardless of how painful it is or how enjoyable it is. That's what it is".




tinkerbell :icon_chick:

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Elizabeth

Hey Julie,

While I am not particularly religious, I also have investigated Buddism and found the same thing as you. I agree with your post and have found my way to forgive those who have failed to understand me or who have wronged me. My self worth no longer comes from the outside world, but from within. Only I can make myself happy and only I know what that is. No one can pretend to know better than me what is right for me.

I will not go back to living as a man because it makes me unhappy, I know I have tried. I have forgiven those who have wronged me and I will find my own way, whatever that turns out to be.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Kate

Quote from: Elizabeth on December 10, 2006, 11:02:15 PM
While I am not particularly religious...

The neat thing about Zen Buddhism in particular is that it's not really a religion - at least not in the western sense of the word, with holy texts full of rules and events you have to memorize, priests who interpret God's will for you, and stuff like that. It's... DIFFERENT. You could actually "practice" zen while remaining a christian (though "practicing" zen isn't really zen... but... yea). And yet, I've always said that if you take a really, REALLY big pot, throw in ALL the world's religions, and boil it for like... centuries.... once all the fat and icky stuff have boiled away, you'd have this one little gem left down there... Zen.

Or actually, with zen, I guess it'd be empty. Or not empty, just not something there. Of course there's nothing to be not there, so maybe there's no pot either... or religions...

To be honest, there's actually no such thing as Zen... nevermind...
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Sandy

Quote from: Kate on December 10, 2006, 11:16:28 PM
Or actually, with zen, I guess it'd be empty. Or not empty, just not something there. Of course there's nothing to be not there, so maybe there's no pot either... or religions...

And thus the student was enlightened...

-Sandy (or not)
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Julie Marie

Tink, I read the quotes you posted.  It reminded me why I couldn't grasp Buddhism the first dozen times I tried.  To the newbie it can be somewhat confusing.  You have to become a student, not just a casual observer. 

Kate, I suspect your frustration was due to the way Zen was presented.  While I never threw books at the wall I did put a lot down.  But when I read "Buddhism, Plain and Simple" it clicked.  The title describes the contents very accurately.  Once I understood the basic premise of the belief I realized it suits my thinking very well.  From there I read other books, many of them weren't about Buddhism but I could see the same common sense approach to life in their words that I found in Buddhism.

All my life I felt inner turmoil and conflict.  I thought I would never be rid of it.  Nothing I did helped.  Through some of the teachings of Buddha and his followers I found the key to unlock the door and release the negativity within me.  I'm not spiritual now, just happy.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Kate

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 11, 2006, 08:43:35 AM
Kate, I suspect your frustration was due to the way Zen was presented.

You got THAT right, sister, lol...

Which was their plan allllllll along, those mischevious little monks. To create an obsessive frustration. Something you can't let go of, yet can't "solve" either. Something that will drive you literally out of your mind until something snaps and you just... well... just have to shake your head and laugh at how difficult you made everything when it's always been Right There all along, waiting for you.

Hey... waitasec... that sounds a bit like GID, doesn't it?

Why does *everything* in this world seem to reflect everything else? What a STRANGE place, lol...
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HelenW

Quote from: Kate on December 11, 2006, 09:06:39 AM
Which was their plan allllllll along, those mischevious little monks. To create an obsessive frustration. Something you can't let go of, yet can't "solve" either.

It's all designed to get you past your "logical mind' - to realize that reason, that voice in your head, isn't you.

(heard the sound of one hand clapping)
helen
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Kate

Quote from: Kelly on December 12, 2006, 01:55:22 PM
The cool thing is that we don't actually have to learn anything, since the enlightened state is already inside of everyone....it just needs to be remembered and uncovered.  We can bury our true "buddha nature" but it doesn't die, it is the only thing that lasts.  We are all Buddhas/Angels, it's just that some are awakened already, some are trying to wake up, and others are still sleeping.

Heh... hmmm... tweaking... speaking to TSs in particular:

The cool thing is that we don't actually have to learn anything, since our true self is already inside of everyone....it just needs to be remembered and uncovered.  We can bury our true self but it doesn't die, it is the only thing that lasts.  We are all women already (or men), it's just that some are awakened already, some are trying to wake up, and others are still sleeping.

Gotta love it. Ya just gotta. WHICH... is why I keep insisting this whole GID thing is really some spiritual quest in disguise. It just translates SO perfectly. It's the same story retold in countless ways... and we get to LIVE our story, not just read about it.

How cool is that?
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Julie Marie

When I laid down the burden of making everyone around me happy, I was freed to think more clearly.  When I looked at what I have learned simply by being TS I realized this life has taught me more about people than I could have ever learned had I not been TS.  I would never change that. 

Being awake, seeing things for their beauty, seeing people for who they are inside and not passing judgement all came from the experiences I've had being TS.  Many people will never know this joy, never see the inner beauty of another person, never know that no matter what happens outside, life comes from within.

If each and every person were thrust into our world for one month, how many would survive?  How many would lose their sanity?  How many would sink deep into depression?  But once they went back you can be sure this world would be a different place.  And I suspect that place would be one filled with warmth, love and joy.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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VeryGnawty

I've been practicing Zazen meditation for several years, in addition to religious study.  I've come to the conclusion that life is a game.  Each of us are players in this game.  The point of the game is to experience whatever we want to experience within the game.  There are no winners, and no losers.

The only way to fail at the game is to not do the things you came here to do.  Whether you came to play with gender, enjoy good food, help the needy, or jump out of airplanes...it doesn't matter.  True enlightenment comes when you do the things you truly want to do.

Life is a game, and you make the rules.
"The cake is a lie."
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Kate

Quote from: VeryGnawty on December 13, 2006, 09:20:48 AMLife is a game, and you make the rules.

Rule #1: When I snap my fingers, I'll become a natural-born female.... snap... snap.... snap...

Fine, lol. OK, revised:

Rule #1: After hormones, facial surgery and genital surgery I'll be as close to a natural born female as I can get.

I can live with that ;)

Yes, life is... well... something alright. Director, actor and screenwriter all rolled into one big ball of delicious fun.
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VeryGnawty

Quote from: Kate on December 13, 2006, 10:37:31 AMRule #1: When I snap my fingers, I'll become a natural-born female.... snap... snap.... snap...

If it were that easy, then it wouldn't be any fun.   ::)
"The cake is a lie."
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SusanK

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 10, 2006, 09:35:25 PM
If you know me you would never call me a Buddhist...

In its strictest sense Buddhism certainly isn't for everyone.  But in a general sense I feel there's something everyone can adopt from Buddhism that will make their life better.  It certainly has mine.

Julie

Interesting and thought provoking post. I like it. I started in Buddhism in the early 1970's, as with many then with Alan Watts, but left it to learn Taoism. It's almost an opposite approach and more helpful to me. It teaches answers to deep personal questions are found in looking outside of yourself, at the world in its infinite variety. It teaches to search there and answers come through your experience where you will know yourself and what is innately right for you. It's within you, you have to see to discover it.

It also helps in exploring my transistion by seeing the variety of people and experiences, and finding myself amidst the world, as one of many, but still mine and unique in my own way. It teaches me to find and see myself among the world of women. It almost goes full circle by looking out you come around to seeing yourself. And as a photographer it helps me there too. Photography is all about looking and seeing, and Taoism is the personal photography of life and existence.

Have a good holiday.

--Susan--
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Hazumu

#15
I like that if you're Buddhist you can be a Buddhist AND a Christian.

But, of course, if you're Christian (especially some of the Stern Father Christian denominations,) you can't also be Buddhist.

Put that in your Zen and smoke it...

Karen ;D ;D ;D
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VeryGnawty

Oh yeah?  Well here's some zen for you.

"As for the outside world, the artist is confronted by what he sees; but what he sees is primarily what he looks at."
- Andre Malraux
"The cake is a lie."
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The Middle Way

Quote from: Kate on December 11, 2006, 09:06:39 AM
Why does *everything* in this world seem to reflect everything else?

That's the way *it's* 'built' from the model. Infinite feedback loops within self-same loops.  ^-^

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melissa90299

Being the contrarian that I am, I am going to disagree slightly. One could say that the Buddhist mindset might lead one to believe that even though one is transsexual, the enlightened Buddhist would realize that transition is totally unnecessary, even silly, as the physical body is irrelevant. OTOH, there is a belief that if one screws up in their current go-round, they will be punished by coming back as a woman in the next life. That kinda goes against the grain, doesn't it?

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Valkyrie

Quote from: melissa90299 on August 06, 2007, 07:17:00 PM
Being the contrarian that I am, I am going to disagree slightly. One could say that the Buddhist mindset might lead one to believe that even though one is transsexual, the enlightened Buddhist would realize that transition is totally unnecessary, even silly, as the physical body is irrelevant.

Hi,

I've been a Buddhist for about 8 years and what you say was EXACTLY how I felt.  Life is suffering and we need to simply understand that fact.  Which is why I was miserable for so long and never did anything about it.  I just (wrongly) tried to ignore who I was and that it was inconsistent with my physical body.

However, a little while ago I was talking to my Bhante and he said something that really resonated with me and it in part is why I'm taking my first steps to transition.  I'll have to paraphrase because I can't remember how he said it in his  Sri Lankan accent and grammar. ^_^

"... if you can, you should try to reduce the suffering of anyone or anything that is suffering...  And that includes YOURSELF as well."

And that made a lot of sense to me.  And I think I have a means to reduce (and possibly eliminate) my GID induced suffering.  So I will.  ^_^


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