Quote from: Sadie on October 15, 2010, 09:59:47 AM
I  would be very careful in this area. Because, if we hit a girl as a MTF and say people know we are MTF, some man may assume its ok to hit us and use it as an excuse to do some serious violence to us because they don't like TGs. Mind you this can happen anyway, but some people just need an excuse. I would try to not stoop to their level and diffuse the situation if possible.

Anyone who doesn't like us, and would be willing to hit us, already are willing too.

And I've said in other threads just how tremendously I don't care what precedents my actions set.

Quote from: milktea on October 15, 2010, 09:12:04 AM
ashley it is generally not a good idea to fight someone stronger than you. ya so the streetsmart thing to do is to get help.

anyway i think it's a good thing for girls to learn some martial arts...handy in a fight where you want to control the situation.

The street smart thing to do.. is to use your brain and go by the situation. But regardless, the question as I understood it, was would you have an ethical issue fighting back against a genetic female. Presumably as opposed to holding back as many men will because of the undeniable fact that the average man can inflict significantly more damage than the average woman.

My answer is no, because I don't feel it generally applies in our case.

[Firefly] Jayne Cobb: "I'll kill a man in a fair fight. Or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight. Or if he bothers me. Or if there's a woman. Or if I'm gettin' paid. Mostly when I'm gettin' paid."

Seriously though, if I were attacked by ANYONE I'd fight back, but I think that my fighting strategy would be different with a woman, or a small guy.  A full out "punch you in the face" brawl is obviously to be avoided, and if they were weaker than me to the point that I could restrain them rather than exchange blows, I'd try for this. 

I agree that the "Never hit a woman," thing is sexist because no one should be hitting anyone, but, to be honest, my reaction to being physically threatened varies depending on the perceived strength of the person.  If it's a guy who looks like he could seriously hurt me, all he has to do is act like he's a threat to my physical safety and I'll firmly push him away, trying not to hurt him, of course.  For example, if a guy corners me and I have no escape route and he towers over me and stands too close and tries to touch me while speaking menacingly, I'll give him a strong shove and get away.  I don't want to hurt anyone, but I want to make it clear that people can't get away with trying to intimidate me like that.  If it was a girl who looked strong, I might react the same way.  But if the person didn't look very strong, I'd probably be gentler with them, again because my goal would be to defend myself, not to hurt them. 

Quote from: Kentrie on October 14, 2010, 10:23:48 PM
I have always been curious about this. If a biological female started a fight with you, would you fight back or not? I'm sorry if this sounds offensive but I've always wondered if you would. I know it's wrong to fight but what if it was self-defense?

If she started it, i would finish it~  I would drop that biotch~  ^_^b

Quote from: Kentrie on October 14, 2010, 10:34:11 PM
I have the same problem. I'm a guy but I'm biologically female so would it be wrong to hit a girl?

Guys dont hit girls, if your a guy, then you just seem like a scumbag for beating up a girl.  If your FTM your a guy, you have the brain of a guy, and unless your a scumbag of a guy (which some are) you wouldn't hit a girl.

A lot of people say its wrong to hit anyone, that is not correct.  Sometimes its the appropriate thing to do, to strike out of hatred is different then to strike to save your life or another's.    If someone is attacking me I will fight back and its justified if my life or well being are in danger.  Words are are well and fine, but when they fail, i am ready to throw down.  I am not strong by any means but I will hit and fight people a lot stronger if it means survival.

It is always easier or less work to run than fight. But let it be known that if someone cuts off my flight path or is quicker than me I will make them regret it. Yes I do have a martial arts background and will not hesitate to use it.
Randi

I've had to defend myself from guys from time to time but haven't really had any trouble from gals

I'm not sure what I would do... I hope I never have to find out 

Quote from: LightBulbs on October 15, 2010, 06:24:43 PM
Also I believe MTFs can generally fight better than GGs anyway, regardless of their muscle mass - good coordination etc.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that post HRT MTF's have any above average abilities in coordination? 

The best defence is a good sprint start.

Quote from: Helena on October 15, 2010, 06:47:54 PM
The best defence is a good sprint start.

If you're asking because I am biologically male, would I hit a biological female? That's sort the wrong way of looking at it.

Besides, no I wouldn't.  I would do what I do in every fight, run away as fast as I can.

Enjoy...

Of course we have the right to defend ourselves. But make sure you don't put yourself in a worse situation.

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Cindy

Quote from: Helena on October 15, 2010, 06:47:54 PM
The best defence is a good sprint start.

... and with apologies to Virginia for shamelessly nicking her idea and building upon it this:



Though as anyone who has confronted me knows these days I am rather more for standing my ground and fighting than for running away. Sadly running away only stores up problems for later.

And often, when a girl starts a fight, with her male friend, or even some male nearby, she's using you to get his attention.

Quote from: rejennyrated on October 16, 2010, 03:57:28 AM
Though as anyone who has confronted me knows these days I am rather more for standing my ground and fighting than for running away. Sadly running away only stores up problems for later.

I've always been non confrontational, especially in the physical arena as I've never been particularly strong and tough. I'm also a pacifist, which is largely the result of being brought up as a quaker, and really do see violence as the ultimate last resort, I'm far more likely to try and negotiate myself out of a situation.

Quote from: Helena on October 16, 2010, 07:26:50 AM
I've always been non confrontational, especially in the physical arena as I've never been particularly strong and tough. I'm also a pacifist, which is largely the result of being brought up as a quaker, and really do see violence as the ultimate last resort, I'm far more likely to try and negotiate myself out of a situation.

Ah yes but now we are down to pure semantics. When I say stand my ground and fight I regard negotiation as the intelligent persons way of fighting. I am not necessarily talking fistycuffs - I am talking about having the metal to stand your ground and gain a just solution.

A really good negotiator can inflict a far more devastating defeat than a huge army! Therefore negotiation really is just the intelligent persons way of fighting! 

Quote from: spacial on October 15, 2010, 06:33:36 AM
I've observed that, when males attack, they want to assert their domnance. They live in a world where their position is important to them. They rarely want to share the same social position, even with a close friend. If they feel their position is being undermined, they will try to find a way to ressert it. It may simply be banter, perhaps even cruel banter. It may extend to agressive talk, threats, squaring off, or it may extend to violence.

Women do the same thing, our culture is just less likely to acknowledge it when it happens. We're just socialized not to see it as "a struggle for dominance" when women do it. It's like the study that was done in the 70's. They had video footage of an infant crying and asked two groups what emotion the infant was expressing. They told the first group it was a baby boy and the group said the infant was expressing anger. They told the second group it was a baby girl and the group said the infant was expressing fear. Our culture has biased interpretations of actions based on the perceived sex of the individual committing the action. Also, there are over 50 studies that show women commit just as much domestic violence as men, on all levels of severity. I think it's interesting that it's both sexist and wrong for a man to hit a woman, yet also sexist and wrong for him to not hit a women simply because she's a woman. It really goes to show the no win situation men are in now in our society (Western society in general?). And I think it's interesting how so many feminists claim we live in a culture that condones violence against women, when so many men still have the view that it's never okay to hit a woman. Doh. Pesky empirical evidence, always getting in the way of ideologies.

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When females attack, they want to humiliate. Generally they have little problem with sharing their social position with others. Most females acknowledge others as equals within the peer group.

Well that simply isn't true. There is a massive amount of evidence that contradicts this. Not to mention that women definitely don't treat me as their equal when I use the women's fitting rooms or women's restrooms. In fact, I experience far more discrimination from women than I do from men. I don't buy the "women are innately more egalitarian and less discriminatory" crap. There's too much evidence that shows it simply isn't true.

I would have to disengage and leave, even though I would be much happier kicking her ass.
As a former member in the man club and an individule with martial arts training I do not believe that a judge would look kindly on me for whooping on a natal female.

Interesting question.

I think I would cry like a baby when I got away from such a woman.