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Started by michelle.ch, October 25, 2010, 10:08:02 PM

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michelle.ch

Has anyone ever seen a crossdresser that just makes you scream "NO!"?

Two days ago I was in a pub, dressed up in my male scruffiness, waiting for a glass of beer to be poured with a male friend of mine who knows I love being girl and has been out with me en femme before. Suddenly a six-foot-plus tall t-girl scandalously clad in either a light pink bikini or underwear or mini-miniskirt (I didn't get a close look) and long boots came out of the toilet and stood just around the corner of the bar from me.

I was torn between the urge to say hello and introduce myself as a fellow CD, and the urge to just look somewhere else, and quite quickly I just ended up looking somewhere else, but I couldn't help feeling bad for having not at least acknowledged her. I also had a bit of a conflict because I wasn't even sure how to begin a conversation. I kind of console myself a bit by thinking that I would be too chicken to talk to anyone dressed like that no matter what their sex, but I still feel a bit guilty. Has anyone else had an experience like that?


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Octavianus

There is nothing wrong with liking or disliking something. Being a crossdresser yourself does not mean you have to like all other crossdressers just because you have that in common, don't you think? Also, sometimes you just need to get used to a new view in order to acknowledge.

In my book there are 3 kinds of crossdressers (which may overlap):
1) ->-bleeped-<-s: people who crossdress as part of a fetish
2) Drag Queens: people who crossdress for attention and fame
3) Crossdressers: people who crossdress to let of steam and express their feminine (or masculine) side.
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spacial

Hopfully, our society will soo get to the stage that it will accept that people can dress in whatever manner suits them.

We've more or less done that with women. Few people blink seeing a woman in trousers.

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Octavianus

That is certainly true. It is strange that the other way around is not accepted in western culture.
I think it would be a refreshing sight seeing men going to work wearing what they see fit, including clothing now regarded as stricktly female.
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Cindy Stephens

     But I think people WOULD blink seeing a 6'  GG in pink undies and tall boots come into the office for the day!  Ok, so it wasn't mentioned where the pub is located, it could be near a beach.  The gist of the story seems to be the inappropriateness of the particular outfit, and it gave a pause to the writer who then turned away from the "trainwreck".   I ran into a similar situation at my monthly gender meeting.  Some wanted to meet up at a local restaurant.  However, one "girl" is 60, an obvious sun worshiper and heavy smoker who never used sunscreen or moisturizer.  She wears a very skimpy white lace sun dress and has a bow in her hair.  Face looks 60 - dresses like 16.  The second over accessorizes dramatically, in such a way as to draw attention, then makes a point of accosting anyone who stares.  I declined to go out with them.  I dress in an un-provocative, age appropriate way.  I try to fit in and avoid attention.
       I believe that this is a fairly common occurrence among late transitioners who missed a large part of the "style" growth that GG's go through in teens through 30's.  It isn't an evil thing, just jarring.  Some catch up, others don't.  Hopefully they find someone who can help them find what makes them feel good about themselves, while making them look presentable to others.  Assuming of course, that that is what they truly want.
     Like the writer, I wanted to address the issue with her but didn't take a chance.   I don't feel bad.  She seemed not to want actual suggestions and I would have felt badly if she felt good about herself, and there I was, cutting her down.  It is hard to win in that type of situation. 
P.S. to michelle.ch  you should only feel guilty if you had ACTUALLY screamed "NO" to her, particularly if you stood with your hands on your hips when you had done so.  Fortunately, perhaps the fact that she was 6'plus and wearing boots gave you a moments pause to collect yourself?  I say well done.
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Alexmakenoise

Quote from: Cindy Stephens on October 26, 2010, 12:04:54 PM
     But I think people WOULD blink seeing a 6'  GG in pink undies and tall boots come into the office for the day!  Ok, so it wasn't mentioned where the pub is located, it could be near a beach.  The gist of the story seems to be the inappropriateness of the particular outfit, and it gave a pause to the writer who then turned away from the "trainwreck".   I ran into a similar situation at my monthly gender meeting.  Some wanted to meet up at a local restaurant.  However, one "girl" is 60, an obvious sun worshiper and heavy smoker who never used sunscreen or moisturizer.  She wears a very skimpy white lace sun dress and has a bow in her hair.  Face looks 60 - dresses like 16.  The second over accessorizes dramatically, in such a way as to draw attention, then makes a point of accosting anyone who stares.  I declined to go out with them.  I dress in an un-provocative, age appropriate way.  I try to fit in and avoid attention.

And you probably would have done the same if you were all GG's who knew each other because of some other random thing you had in common.

I think this thread illustrates that one's gender expression doesn't have much to do with one's personality, style, values . . . or almost anything else.  Having gender expression in common is like being fans of the same popular sports team.  It gives you something to talk about, and some common experiences, but it doesn't mean you'll have anything else in common.

I believe that people should be free to dress however they want to.  And to like or dislike whatever they want to.  But we'll probably always have the concept of certain clothing being inappropriate for certain situations, such as a hot pink bikini being considered inappropriate to wear to a normal pub.  No matter who's wearing it.
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Randi

I have yet to meet anyone else like me and relish the idea. However, My wife and I (in guy dress) were in Wal-mart last week and happened upon a girl who had to be 6'5" with heels, blue mini skirt, small tank top, and was BRIGHTLY painted up in very loud colors. I found myself torn between wanting to introduce myself and quickly turning around and going the other way. I never got the chance to decide-my wife knowing what I was going thru wisely grabbed the front of the buggy and took off somewhere else. I couldn't help but tell my wife how great it is that she had the confidence to go out in public-that's more than I can do. I am still subject to my own fears and insecurities.
Randi
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michelle.ch

I well, I didn't actually scream "No!", just inside to myself, hehe, and it was more like.."oh no!"

The pub was two hours' drive from the nearest beach, a microbrewery where about 65% of the patrons have beards, and it is still early Spring!!!!

Thanks for all your great replies.

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VelindaSalazar

Dressing up is great, but people need to be mindful of the place they will be appearing.  Wearing sexy clothing is great, but it is not for every place and occasion.  This is something I think most crossdressers learn with experience, but sometimes, people do need to be told that type of clothing they are wearing is not appropriate for the occasion regardless of the gender the clothing is intended for.
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Salina

personally, It dosent matter much to me what another crossdresser wears.  I do feel however, it should be age appropriate, especially if one goes out.
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