Well someone has emailed our link at Suzan's to two of Erocse's brothers suggesting they should know. His brother's  have gone to his Father and Mother without coming to us first and giving us the opportunity to be the ones to tell them. It has been a painful time. His father is 71 and his mother has Alzhiemers. The stress could not be good for them. I can only wonder who they were considering??? They were not considerate at all. Even though one brother is an Elder in the Jehovah's witness organization and thier belief is," if you have an issue with your brother that you should go to him first." He did not even follow his own basic instructions. His other brother is Mormon.
This all came to our knowledge because Erocse is a person who loves his family. He calls his Mom and Dad weekly to see how they are and share humor and life with them. His father then revealed what had happened reluctantly. It was emotional, stressful, and hurtful. Many things were said.
Erocse has always loved his family and has done his best to show everyone that. His Mormon brother did call us back, though the JW one is neglectful, inconsiderate, unprepared, disconcerned??? I am not sure if it is one or all of the above. Perhaps if they are reading this they will let us know.
Erocse and I will be reading on Susan's but for a time we will not be posting. We have always tried to post positive posts but because we feel they may be read, and quoted from, in a destructive manner against us we will refrain for now. Not forever but for a time.
The simplest Bible rule is ignored by Christians,"Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself." It really is sad. It is an amazing concept. 

I am so sorry.

This is why it is so important for those who are not ready to come out to avoid posting pictures or any identifying information.

Dear Mrs. Erocse and Erocse,

I am so sorry to hear about how this came about. I am thinking of you and your family as you guys work through the issues that came up.

I'm not sure it's a comfort, but just know that many people in the LGBT community have gone through what you are going through right now. Sometimes in the end we can be surprised at how things turn out, and despite the disrespect and abuse of some around us; that things can work together for good.

From your posts I can see how strong and equally compassionate you both are; and your commitment to each other and your kids. I know you'll find a way through this mess together.

Please know you will both be missed while you are away.

I understand your and Erocse concern.  If you feel you tow must step back a bit, that is entirely within your rights to do.  Just keep the accounts and come back when you feel that you can.

But I wonder if they are not accomplishing what they were wanting to.  Make her step back.  And I know the JW have a spy network that rivals the CIA.

Your call, but I am just a 'ballzy" enough broad that I would not back down and keep right on posting.   But I know we will miss both of you while you are on hiatus.

Wow... That's really messed up of whoever did that  I hope your able to work things out with your family

I'm with Janet on this though... It's your call but I hope you stick around

*HUGS*

Erocse and Mrs. Erocse,

I'm so sorry this happened to you!  It sounds like Erocse's brothers are confused and not thinking straight, for what they did is hurtful to you, Erocse's parents, and people here at Susan's who admire your positive attitudes and will miss your posts during your absence.  You two have become role models during your time here - dealing with things with love and grace and respect for other people.  Your contributions here are appreciated, and I'm sure you'll be missed. 

I really hope this situation with your family can somehow be resolved, hopefully sooner rather than later.  Once people get over the initial shock, maybe they'll be able to put aside their fears and put compassion first.  I'll be thinking of you and wishing you well.

Alex

I do feel for you. One of my best friends (non Trans) is an EX JW and has experienced the trauma of Interventions and disconnect from his family. I'm sure he would be willing to correspond and offer advice if that would help in any way.

I understand totally why you feel the way you do, but I would ask you to consider if withdrawing totally really is the best option. There are private areas on the site which can only be accessed by members and if you post in those you should be reasonably safe. For the specific groups within the just for us area such as MTF etc the moderation team must vet and approve membership, and we would NOT approve anyone who did not appear genuine. Therefore postings withing those areas should NOT be visible to anyone outside.

Furthermore withdrawal might seem to signal to the wrongdoers that they have won. You have been intimidated and silenced I say it is surely better to stand up to them and show them that such intimidation simply will not work. These are not the actions of a loving and concerned person. They are the evil and manipulative deeds of a coward who did not have the decency to face you first and give you a chance to respond.

Sounds like they are trying to cause divisions between ercose and they parents.

They clearly have little or no respect or regard for them.

Good luck to you both.

Let me chime in, if I may.

You two are the exception to the rule that seems to say that relationships in transition suffer and dissolve.  I wish more relationships were like yours. 

You have shown courage and conviction to come here and post about yourselves and the issues that so deeply affect your lives.  You have demonstrated what being at Susan's is all about.  Support.  Both giving and receiving the support and understanding of your peers.  Trying to figure out this terrible blessing-inside-a-curse that we are born with.

Mrs. Erocse, I give you so much credit to stand with your spouse during this hard time.  I know it is hard for you, but you have shown love and support that really is beyond measure.  Thank you for all you have done for Erocse.

Erocse, you are a very lucky person in having Mrs Erocse with you.  And you have shown love and commitment while you work through the issues in being trans.  You are to be commended.

But if you stop posting, you let them win.  They impose their ignorance and hatred on you.  This is what society wants us to do.  To go back into the closet.  To stop being icky trans people.  To allow them to feel righteous in their bigoted christian (small c) dogma and force you back into hiding.

And to the lurking person who is so cowardly that they cannot come and confront people about what is really none of their damned business.  I really hope that when rapture comes, that you are taken to heaven, for we have really little use for one such as you here.

You are a cowardly, sniveling, bigoted, ignorant waste of a soul.  I hope that in time and in the infinite love of that which passeth all understanding, you come to see the horrible thing you have done and that you regret that action and realize that you cannot ever undo the hurt you have caused.

These two lovely, kind, and generous creatures were damaged beyond your pitiful intelligence to understand.  You have permanently damaged a parent's love for their child.  You have prematurely set off actions that were going to happen, but in a way that would have perhaps preserved that love that you have so thoughtlessly ravaged.

I truly hope that whatever you describe as God loves you, for I surely do not!

-Sandy

I am so sorry to read of the hateful act of your family member. It must hurt so much. I hope for you to have healing.

Like others, I have enjoyed, been stimulated by, and appreciated the posts both of you have made. You deserve love, not hate from your family. Thank you for sharing yourselves.

Kendall

I'm so sorry to hear about this, Mrs. Erocse. But I add my voice to the others in saying don't let this cut you off from support here. As Jenny suggested, we do have more private areas in the Just for us section as well as Mtf Transsexual for Erocse and the Significant Other for you peer support areas.

The Mtf Transsexual and Significant Other sections are viewable only by mods and those in the MTF and Significant Other peer groups, respectively.
Note these are the peer support sections under Just for us, not the open sections under Transsexual Talk.

You both have been such an inspiration and bright presence for many here.

I am said, because since I 've been on this site, I've admired the positive way you are writing.
In my opinion you are a good person and I can"t image why somebody  is acting like that.
I'll be missing you for a while
It's a bloody shame
I hope things will work out for you in a positive way

Quote from: Sandy on November 06, 2010, 01:30:26 PM

But if you stop posting, you let them win.  They impose their ignorance and hatred on you.  This is what society wants us to do.  To go back into the closet.  To stop being icky trans people.  To allow them to feel righteous in their bigoted christian (small c) dogma and force you back into hiding.

-Sandy

Have to agree Mrs Ercose and ercose. Hope you will reconsider.

I too am filled with grief & righteous indignation that you have been forced to endure this at the hands of someone who should know better. I agree with Sandy-these are the actions of a coward and they show how little about Christ they really know. God is able to take evil and make something good out of it and I pray this will be the case here. May these people have no peace until they repent of their hurtful actions and pay for the crimes they have committed. I truly thank you both for the positive and supportive posts you have given. You both are truly an inspiration for me and I wish only the best for you.

May the Holy Spirit of the Almighty give peace and blessing to you in your time of trouble,
Randi

Oh my dear Erocses, I am so sorry this has happened to you. It was always resfreshing and optimistic to read about you 2 and to think that your open nature is used against you in such inconsiderate manner. This once again shows how every tiny piece of information can be used against you. Is it even possible to understand why people do this?
I wish you to the best in cleaning up the mess the 2 brothers made for you and hope you can salvage the good relationship with your parents (in law).
Please do not be discouraged by these low actions, you 2 are a lighthouse in a dark night and show a couple can survive the transition of a partner. So much love should only be used as an example and to cheer up other people in similar situations.
It is understandable that you wish to take a break from posting here to sort things out. But like many other people here we hope that this will only be for a short time.

To the lifeform that went behind the backs of this kind couple:
What were you planning to achieve by causing such a disruption in the family. You should state your reasons here.
Now I am certain I will not place my picture for an avatar and I will urge Rose to take hers down.

Quote from: Octavianus on November 06, 2010, 05:51:10 PM
Now I am certain I will not place my picture for an avatar and I will urge Rose to take hers down.

good plan if being outed would be bad for you

*hugs*

I enjoyed reading your posts. I hope you make it through this hardship and begin posting again.

Erocse and Mrs. Erocse

I echo the sentiments of Janet and Sandy.  The two of you bring something special to Susan's Place.

Erocse's last post about the jeans made me smile and laugh, a bright spot on a bad day.

Hugs to the both of you.

Brook

I am sorry to hear that someone with evil in their heart has done this. I hope your parents can cope and will still keep contact with the both of you.
I cannot stand interfering snoopy people.  >:-)I think their own morals should be brought up as to why they would do such a thing, as it is none of their business in the first place. Belonging to any or no religion, does not give them the right to 'out' someone without consent.
I wish you both the best. 

I am so sorry to hear that your brother-in-law acted so cruelly.  You two have been an inspiration for me and I will miss you if you decide to stop posting.

Hugs to you both.

Love

Jamie