A VERY peculiar engagement

Charles had a sex change - then hated being Samantha so became a man again. Now he's getting married. So is his fiancée barmy, brave... or just in love?

By Helen Weathers
Last updated at 8:37 AM on 8th November 2010

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1327554/Charles-Kane-sex-change--hated-Samantha-man-Now-hes-getting-married-So-fiancee-crazy.html

When millionaire property developer Charles Kane steps out with his new fiancée, people tend to either stare or discreetly do a double take.

It may be because Victoria Emms is a striking redhead and, at 28 to Charles's 50, is young enough to be his daughter.

But they both suspect it is because they look - to use their own words - ‘eccentric’ or ‘odd’.

In Victoria’s eyes, Charles is ‘all man’, but ­others may disagree. Born Sam Hashimi, the businessman and divorced father-of-two had a sex-change operation in 1987 to turn him into glamorous interior designer Samantha Kane.

Wow, I have heard of Charles Kane and his deal... Just one illustrious example of why one has to be really sure, and not jump into things.  It is not the detransition that bugs me... Rather, it is him calling anyone that feels trans "Deluded" and counseling not transition will help (I paraphrased his point).  Obviously, there are lots of girls/guys who have changed their birth gender to align with their real one who are more content than before.  In some cases, 'transitioning' is part of the counseling process.  It is unfortunate that Charles Kane has to take what didn't work with him and apply his lesson on everyone else.

Agree with forallittook. Charles is over-generalizing here. But people are entitled to have weird opinions.

Let me add, what I find bizarre in this article is this attitude:
"OMG how can it be that Charles' got a fiancée as he looks soooo weird!"

Well, I don't think he looks THAT weird, walk through the streets and you'll find dozens of people who look weirder than he does. Plus, looking "weird" does not mean it's a miracle if you find a partner. Even our chancellor, Angela Merkel, succeeded in that, and she also managed to keep the relationship in spite of the ugly haircuts she used to have over the years.

And honestly, I think Charles looks better now than he looked in the early 80ies. His glasses, haircut and mustache really didn't help there. But the 80ies were a very bad decade for hairstyles and glasses anyway.

Quote from: forallittook on November 08, 2010, 08:50:08 AM
Wow, I have heard of Charles Kane and his deal... Just one illustrious example of why one has to be really sure, and not jump into things.  It is not the detransition that bugs me... Rather, it is him calling anyone that feels trans "Deluded" and counseling not transition will help (I paraphrased his point).  Obviously, there are lots of girls/guys who have changed their birth gender to align with their real one who are more content than before.  In some cases, 'transitioning' is part of the counseling process.  It is unfortunate that Charles Kane has to take what didn't work with him and apply his lesson on everyone else.

Quite so. There is an unfortunate tendency in humans to try for one size fits all solutions.

Sadly this misses the obvious point that we are not all the same. Besides most people have lots of counseling before they go though this. Charles didn't. That was his choice, just as it was mine. It is, for some of us, a valid choice to make, but the consequence of making that choice is that you have to be prepared to take responsibility for your own actions and not and blame someone else for not stopping you, when in all probability you chose them as your doctor precisely so that they wouldn't waste your time while they tried!

Sadly some people want to have their cake and eat it.  They want, as I did, to enjoy the freedom to make their own choices, but the when they make a mistake, then they want it to be everyone else's problem. These people I really have very little time for - they are the fools of this world, and I for one do not suffer such fools gladly.

Whenever I read a story like this in any UK tabloid, I involk the first rule of tabloid:

There is a lot more to this than has been reported.

The ultimate male fantasy? REALLY? No it isn't.

At any rate, this story demonstrates what can happen when a TG person has the means to go too far too soon. It surprises me how many folks I run across even on this forum who see GRS as the ultimate destination for the g-male with feminine inclinations. That's not always true and, in fact, it's only true for a small minority of us. There are plenty of other ways to fulfill one's femininity and it's not an either-or situation. It's a silly myth that there is great virtue to being "all man" or "all woman". I can say from experience that there are great benefits to falling in the middle ground. Unfortunately, we may be the least understood group in the TG range.

Lyric

Some serious questions that make this story seem suspicious.

He apparently spent £100,000 on his original reassignment opertions. Another £25,000 on a reversal. He apparntly writes novels. Yet he is looking for funding to make a film about his life. Dos he just have an enormous ego, or has he spent all his cash?

QuoteThen, in 2004, after seven years of living as a woman, he decided he'd made a horrible mistake; the result -he believes now -of a breakdown following the acrimonious end of his 12-year ­marriage and estrangement from his children.

If he had a breakdown of that magnitude, then how would he have ever been approved for such surgery?

Why would he be estranged from his ex wife and their children? Apparently, he has recently be reunited with one, after 15 years.

Quote'In many ways I see myself a victim of the medical profession Even with the glamour of Samantha Kane and the £100,000 I spent on myself, I had people shouting abuse at me and builders throwing stones at me from rooftops,' he says.

Sorry, don't buy that. He's blaming others for his own, apparent mistakes.

Builders don't throw rocks at people. The middle class types may like to think of builders as being a bunch of ignorant oafs, in reality, builders are educated and highly skilled.

In any case, throwing a rock from a roof top is liable to kill someone. Basic knowledge of gravity and acceleration should suggest that.

Oh look. Julie Bindel. What a surprise. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6923912.stm

Quote from: forallittook on November 08, 2010, 08:50:08 AM
Wow, I have heard of Charles Kane and his deal... Just one illustrious example of why one has to be really sure, and not jump into things.  It is not the detransition that bugs me... Rather, it is him calling anyone that feels trans "Deluded" and counseling not transition will help (I paraphrased his point).  Obviously, there are lots of girls/guys who have changed their birth gender to align with their real one who are more content than before.  In some cases, 'transitioning' is part of the counseling process.  It is unfortunate that Charles Kane has to take what didn't work with him and apply his lesson on everyone else.

*Raise hand*

I am one that is more content ^_^b.  Rather die then go back.  I am very happy now.

This just goes to show, if all someone's in it for is the glamour aspect of womanhood, it's going to get old after a few years.

Quote from: Zythyra on November 08, 2010, 08:39:58 AM
So is his fiancée barmy, brave... or just in love?

QuoteThough he is wearing a beautifully cut suit, he has teamed it with a pair of dusky pink, suede moccasins.

If this bothers Victoria, she doesn't let it show. Instead, she proudly shows me her diamond engagement ring...

He's a millionaire.  Of course she's in love. 

But you just gotta love the inference to something being wrong with the fiance for wanting to marry a man who took the journey to Venus, even though he's returned to Mars now.  We all know those people are mentally disordered.  And the ones who "come back" really have to be nuts!

It seems to smack of bigotry to me.  But as long as the public thinks it's normal...

This is a great article for people to look at to decide whether they want to TS or not.  Obviously this person transitioned for the wrong reasons.  This is what happens when you do it for reasons outside extreme GID.

Over here in the UK (Blighty) we oft refer to The Daily Mail....

As the Daily Wail.....tis an uber naff selabritty obsessed rag! 

And Charles/Sami/Samantha is a notorious fame seeker, has been covered filmed on numerous TV docs... and always comes over as a rather sad character....

I suspects strongly that he self-determined his fate.... rather than was pushed that way....

And when all's said and done, no one ever forces you to sign a consent form for any kinda surgery....

But good luck to him

However for him to speak as an 'expert' on behalf of the gender dysphoric community is a tad rich....

And highly doubtful that given his past that he'd get any legit backing....

When rich people decide to do something drastic and expensive on a whim, they tend to regret it. And then they think it should be made illegal. As if that would have stopped them - they're rich. And then they argue that it shouldn't be publicly funded. As if that would have stopped them - they're rich.

Personally, I think being obscenely wealthy should be illegal. It's well-documented that extreme wealth leads to drug addiction, an unhealthy, image-obsessed lifestyle, excessive self-involvement and narcissism, a lack of introspection, a lack of empathy, and random sex changes.

Quote from: Fencesitter on November 08, 2010, 09:00:07 AM
Agree with forallittook. Charles is over-generalizing here. But people are entitled to have weird opinions.

Let me add, what I find bizarre in this article is this attitude:
"OMG how can it be that Charles' got a fiancée as he looks soooo weird!"

Well, I don't think he looks THAT weird, walk through the streets and you'll find dozens of people who look weirder than he does. Plus, looking "weird" does not mean it's a miracle if you find a partner. Even our chancellor, Angela Merkel, succeeded in that, and she also managed to keep the relationship in spite of the ugly haircuts she used to have over the years.

And honestly, I think Charles looks better now than he looked in the early 80ies. His glasses, haircut and mustache really didn't help there. But the 80ies were a very bad decade for hairstyles and glasses anyway.

Yeah, I think he looks a little like Cillian Murphy.




Although Cillian is attractive in my book. Mr. Kane will never be -- perpetuating ignorance is majorly off-putting.