Hi,

Im so sorry to hear  of people who,    because of what ever reason these people have in there mind in trying to belittle you both in this situstion .

Remember this tho .

   Even tho they in thier distoted wisdom ,  will not take us  down with them . we can rise above all of this .

if you can handle the heat & this is up to you both,   carry on dont stop posting & dont allow them to think you have to sink to thier level  rise above & enjoy who you are . dont think because you take your pic down or stop posting they have you where they wont you

Let the dog return to its own vomit .

& pass  on by ,

my prays are with you both.

Hugs xxx

...noeleena...

 Beautiful Escorse's

I think I will start posting Cindy's Laws.
1. If you don't want people to know, don't tell them.
2.  I f you post and get hassled tell them to F off
3. I own my own  life
4. I do not answer for your problems, You have no right to reflect on mine.
5. I love and accept me. If you cannot love yourself it is not my problem.
6, I have no problem loving others, if you can't ,you are then the failure.
7

E and MrsE, I am shocked that you have suffered such a betrayal by a family member.  I have suffered a similar family shafting myself, in a different way and know how painful it is.  If your parents love you they will still accept you, but will think less of your brother-in-law.

Or to put it in Aussie vernacular- What a pair orf Bastards!  Sorry, just had to rant.  Your love will see you through this I am sure.  Hugs, Sandra.

And might I politely suggest for rule 7 we add:

"I will not let a man-made patriarchal God based bigoted creed blight mine or others lives"

You two are such nice people! Sorry this happened to you. But at least one things is for certain. That is one thing on your checklist that is done now even though it was a crappy way to have it done.  When I first started coming out someone outed me to pretty much all my friends and I was horrified. Then I realized, well, actually cool, now that is done. On to the next item on the list.

That's so low for whoever did that. Neither of you deserve anything like that. You both have my best wishes, and I hope that you can resolve/make the best out of the situation. You both have my utmost respect, Erocse and Mrs. Erocse.

It's a real pity people exist that cause such harm, be it without thinking, or without being able to think.
Please don't give in to these creatures by staying silent.
Let's hope the bond between you and your parents can heal.

@ Erocse & Mrs. Erocse:

Big Sister Sandy above put it all wonderfully well ... as has everybody else on here. 

When I openly say, and without any reservation whatsoever, that you two are dearly beloved here at Susan's Place, I'm sure that nearly everyone here will instantly agree. 

I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that the JW relative did the outing.  In fact, I can just about guarantee it.  Thrity years ago, my first wife was a JW.  I got to know JWs very well as well as their mindset.  They see ANYBODY and EVERYBODY in the LGBTQ Community as possessed by Satan and deserving death, destruction and damnation.  I kid you not. 

Liken this event to Hurricane Katrina:  Unexpected, devastating but over.  It happened.  You're allegorically bruised and battered, but you're alive and well.  Time has a way of healing.  It will heal this. 

We of The Susan's Place Family love you two dearly.  Granted, we are a surrogate family ... a virtual family ... but a family nevertheless.  How strong a bond can this surrogate e-family create amongst its members?  Consider this, and YOU decide:

John Donne (1572-1631) wrote to his friend, Sir Henry Wotton:

"Sir, more than kisses, letters (words) mingle souls, for thus friends absent speak."

Your souls have mingled with our souls here on Susan's Place.  While you may have lost some closeness and cohesiveness with Erocse's biological family, you have gained closeness and cohesiveness with your adoptive family ... here!

The Witnesses, and the Mormons too for that matter, are extremist's religions, indeed, cults, when all is said and done.  I can tell you from ample first-hand experience that JWs, in particular, have major-league witch-hunt mentality.  They outted Erocse.  It's done.  Erocse's folks may come around.  Given their advanced age, I believe they will.  As Erocse is already doing, shower them with love ... all the more:



Love,

Your Susan's Place Family   

The Jehovas' Witnesses are NOT a violent sect. They refuse to even join the military. So saying they wish death on the GLBT is way over the top.
I have family who are JW's and if anything there only major failing is that they spy on eachother.

The Mormons always seem jst a bit weid to me. As if they are trying to prove that god gave them America.

But I don't believe that the mainstream Jehovas' Witnesses' would condone such behaviour, for many reasons. Not least the distress it will cause to two elderly people.

My personal take on this is that it is some sort of sibling rivalry. For this brother to do this to his elderly parents and to his own brother is really just nasty.

Quote from: cynthialee on November 08, 2010, 06:45:10 AM
The Jehovas' Witnesses are NOT a violent sect. They refuse to even join the military. So saying they wish death on the GLBT is way over the top.
I have family who are JW's and if anything there only major failing is that they spy on eachother.

Correct in all you have said.  Bear in mind that I did not say that the JWs are, themselves, violent.  As you have stated here, they are quite the opposite.  They believe God will do the destroying in his due time and that LGBTQs are among those slated for destruction.  Over the top?

From 1979-1984, I was myself a baptized and practicing JW.  I HAD to become one in order to marry my first wife ... who was one herself.  Been there and done it, girl.  Things are MUCH different internally than they appear externally.  This kind of pettiness and meanness runs rampant with SOME (Note, I said SOME) people in the JWs.  In all fairness, it is the leaders who are generally so affected, though it is a small minority of them.  Such treachery was perpetrated upon me personally in 1982, and I lost a career and, ultimately, a wife over it. 

Your average, everyday JW is a wonderful and sincere person.  Indeed, the elderly JWs were generally the finest people I've ever met in my life.  However, there IS "The Lunatic Fringe" within, and they are very mean and extremely cruel.  I know.  I was there.  I encountered them. 

You are right Lacey Lynne. 

Quote from: CindyJames on November 07, 2010, 04:58:04 AM
Beautiful Escorse's

I think I will start posting Cindy's Laws.
1. If you don't want people to know, don't tell them.
2.  I f you post and get hassled tell them to F off
3. I own my own  life
4. I do not answer for your problems, You have no right to reflect on mine.
5. I love and accept me. If you cannot love yourself it is not my problem.
6, I have no problem loving others, if you can't ,you are then the failure.
7

QFT

DUDES. This is lame. Bigots be bigots, nahmeen?

It's painful when family turns on you, but pain is just sensation. Pain can be intense. So can anger, and so can fear. But in the end, they're just strong emotions and sensation. Observe! Look how they arise, only to fall away.

Who you are is who you are, and I think who you are is beautiful, feminine, and wonderful! Don't let your brothers get you down girls! Erocse, you've a beautiful feminine soul, and no one can take that from you. No one. No one can beat it out of you. No one can lash their tongue at you and strip it of its intellectual value. No one can rob you of your observed inner truth.

I'm with the others that say you ought to continue to post. We need your smiling words to grace our threads when we're in a panic or feeling oh-so-down.

Also, a word to the toads lurking- may your blades chip and chatter fools. What kind of chopstick hangs around on a TG messageboard to pull some cruelness like this? Honestly. Us Tgirls and Tboys have it hard enough as is. What do you do with your time? ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- anyone?

Anyway, enough hate for the haters. Peace! Love! Solidarity for our sisters in need! Queermo forever!

Erocse is in my thoughts as she deals with the aspect of her mother's Alzeheimer's during all of this. My father died a year ago of heart complications but also had the disease himself.  He went into a nursing home following a broken hip and replacement surgery and never made it back to live in the home he built with his own hands.

My father had periods of frustration when he couldn't gather his thoughts to convey his feelings.  He had times he didn't recognize people he had known for a lifetime.  Although he always seemed to know who I was, I began to notice my mother would prompt him by saying my name and noting I was there.

I don't know what stage Erocse's mother is in but I know it will be difficult for each of them.

The other factor to realize is no matter what the persona was before the disease it can change drastically as time wears on.  My father was kind, appreciative, and good natured while others he had lived with in the home were anywhere from violent at times to mean and nasty.

I was struck by the story told by Michael  Reagan.  As his father the ex President got steadily worse Michael wasn't quite sure how to deal with his visits, so each time he made it a point of hugging his father before he left.  One day he became preoccupied talking to Nancy and failed to give his dad a hug before he left.  Outside heading to his car he became aware he was being followed by his dad who called out, "hey, mister you forgot to give me a hug!".   

Brook

Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 06, 2010, 11:33:34 AM

Your call, but I am just a 'ballzy" enough broad

That's not what I heard Janet.

I can't beleive nobody jumped on this comment earlier.

   Hugs Erocse

You really might as well carry on posting, why allow those people the power?

My partner is away at the moment but I know he will join me in giving you both a hug.

I think that is awful behaviour for an adult. I can't imagine what possessed the brother/s to go to your parents before speaking to you.

Hang on in there and please don't isolate yourselves by not interacting with your friends here.