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Encountering other transsexuals.

Started by pebbles, November 05, 2010, 08:17:25 PM

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Nygeel

You know what they say about assuming...and well...I guess stereotyping might also apply.

I'm not a fan of the "transgender pride" symbol and think it REALLY needs to be revised, buuut I think a "Legalize Trans" T-shirt is a good idea.
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Sandy

Quote from: rejennyrated on November 06, 2010, 05:02:50 AM
and on the back it said:

PS I'm TS!

Only trouble is it takes some real courage to wear...

I'd wear a shirt that had that on the back.  Only another trans person would get it!

And if any one asked what it meant I would have the opportunity to spread the word that we all aren't Jerry Springer types.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Lacey Lynne

Quote from: rejennyrated on November 06, 2010, 05:02:50 AM
Nah! All you need is Alison's famous tee shirt which listed all her surgeons and stylists on the front:

Tits by Porter
Vag by Dalrymple
Hair By Raoul
Legs By Alison

and on the back it said:

PS I'm TS!

Only trouble is it takes some real courage to wear...

Simply brilliant, and I love it!    :D   Rock ON, you two!    :D
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Ashley Allison

Hi Pebbles! I have a story like the one you had from today actually... I was working at my job and encountered another transwoman.  At my work, people are extremely cynical towards the transcommunity, and I have heard them say deploring comments before.  Anyway, my "radar" went off when I saw her, and fortunately no one at the store clocked her but me.  In some ways when I saw her I actually felt an enormous amount of pride.  I am not out yet, so seeing someone stick up for who they are inside and present it to the world is a trait I admire.  I had seen her in the store before, but this time when she came in it seems she must of had breast augmentation between the last time I had seen her (no one in there 40s goes from an A cup to at least a D in a couple of months).  I actually wanted to go up and say something to her; just to tell her I look up to her courage.  But, I realize as I am presenting as male it would have been extremely awkward.  I let her pass by without the truth I wanted to say to her and just said, "Hi, welcome to the store ***"  Anyways, it is always an interesting, sometimes humbling like in my case, encounter when meeting another sister/ brother.
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Nygeel

I should also mention that I met a woman who I thought was a trans woman but turned out to not be. It was bad news bears for sure.
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Sandy

I had an occasion where I ran across another trans person in the local grocery store.

My first impulse was to run up to her and ask how things have been going and if she live in the area and did she want to get together and stuff.

Then I thought about how I would feel if someone came up to me in the grocery store and said that same thing to me.

I would be abashed and slightly offended, and really not in the mood to associate with them.  I would have considered it rude.  Not because I am stealth, which I am not, but because it really isn't something I think really needs a public display about.  I don't wear a sign around my neck, but I also don't make a big deal of it, and I certainly wouldn't want it brought up in the middle of a busy isle at the store!

Also, how to breach the subject...

"Hi!  I can see that you are a transsexual!  I am too!  Wanna go get some coffee and chat?"

I would feel that if that had been said to me that I would feel like I did something that got me read.  I would feel a bit queasy and embarrassed.

So instead of talking to her, I passed her in the isle and reached around her while she stood to look at some canned goods and looked her right in the eye, smiled, and said "Excuse me", grabbed something looked at her again, smiled, and said "Thank you".  She simply nodded and went back to looking for something on the shelf.

There was no flash of recognition, not "that look", nothing.

At which point I simply walked away.  If she did not read me, but I read her, I would have felt very bad making the first contact.

Perhaps, if I meet her again, we can talk in the parking lot...

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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V M

Similar to Sandy's experience...

When I've noticed the few trans women I've seen I just smile the same as I do with anyone... The only time I've said anything it was just common courtesy because I needed to get down an isle at the store... I just said "Hi... Excuse me" same as I would anyone

Truly, the urge to run right over and talk to them is really really strong but I know I don't dare do that... I would freak if someone did that to me
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Fencesitter

In my past, there was a time when about 20 - 30 % oft the people around me were trans in some kind of way. Mostly not transitioned people, but people "feeling sometimes male sometimes female", "feeling like they were both", "feeling neither nor but being neutral" etc. It was'nt a fashion, it was 15 years ago and they did not have more concrete words for that, and it was really their gender identities, not some whatever being seen as cool. It was constant, most of them were neighbors of mine... Mostly living in the same house, we were 24 people there, most of us students. We just happened to have found one another and made friends. It was not within a "gender scene", but had just happened, a little nest in the province... Which made me believe for the next couple of years that being gender-variant in some way affected about 5 % of the population, and was absolutely normal, known and unspecular. However, after lots of funny and clueless reactions to my pre-transition coming outs I learned that no, it's not.  ???

Well one of them was a non-outed transwoman.
We had an affair later on and slept with one another, and well, I don't wanna go too much into details, but methought she really was trans as some body parts were okay to her being touched, others not... She never said openly she was trans, but complained openly about her male features and said she was happy to be called "XXX", the short form of her forename, as "at least, that's neutral". She often was called with female pronouns half-jokingly, half-seriously by her flatmates(as people around her sensed what was going on), and she never objected to it, but was happy about that and even said that, as "this fits better". And she complained about being mistaken for a gay guy all the time, as her body language was more than flaming. Flaming gays I knew very well as I used to be in the male gay scene then, but she was different. The only two guys from the gay scene I ever knew with a body language comparable to hers, well one of them said openly he's a transgender, a woman in a man's body, with body dysphoria etc., but he had decided to live as a gay guy, and the other one was flaming as hell and had serious hormonal problems, his body was very under-developed, I never asked him for details but would have loved to send him to shrinks to get that checked up. Me seemed, there was some intersex-stuff going on or testosterone did not work well, plus a non-male gender identity. I could "smell" that.

Well this transwoman neighbor behaved and thought like a girl, wore almost only unisex clothes (and openly stressed that fact!) and complained a lot when having to wear a cravat though she was conservative. Obviously did not feel at ease in her skin etc. A mirror image of me. Gosh. Sad she dumped me. I think she did not get along that I "read" her clearly. During the short time we were together, some of the other people in the house grinned at us as we made a weird impression, like the queerest straight couple you could imagine. The gender-variant people did not do that, they kind of knew what was going on with us, but were okay with it. However, she never denied or admitted openly that she was trans. But I'm sure she was a she.

Once I made the horrible mistake in front of a bunch of people - after a couple of drinks - to out her after she complained of being mistaken for a gay guy as she was not interested into guys: "You're a woman in your brain, so you cannot be gay, at best you could be lesbian, you're just like a transsexual, just like me, but you're the  other way round, and you don't do anything with your body, just like me. We should change bodies, then we would be happy".
And she went like "Ooops" and got red all about her face. Afterwards, I felt like ->-bleeped-<- for having outed her like that. I was already out as "feeling mostly like a guy but in a female body" there, and the people at the table were our neighbours and they were used to the "gender variant" minority of our house. So I had no idea it might be a hassle for her. But she was not clearly out, she just made obvious hints all over the time, without saying anything clearly, in whatever words. So I probably forced the outing upon her without her okay. Ouch. I thought it was so so obvious from the hints she dropped all the time that I thought she was out anyway, but some of the people of the house did not really get that. The "gender variant" minority got it, the others didn't. And that was what I found out when we were all sitting at the table, me outing her. Ouch.

Another situation was about one month ago. I was in the tram, two Turkish women entered them, dressed the usual western style + kinda sexy (lots of Turkish women have that metropolitan style here). And my transdar is good. They sat around me and - one of them is clearly a transwoman, I thought, the other one I'm not sure but might well be. I looked at the hands, chins etc., all that stuff which gets transformed if testosterone does its work. Anyway, both had a great passing, clearly female way of moving etc., no one else in the tram raised an elbow. Then another Turkish woman, traditional muslim clothing, headscarf and boring grey gramma-style clothes, entered the tram and sat down near them, and they knew each other. And the "clear case" started having a conversation in Turkish with the other woman. In a tenor/bariton voice which had obviously been very well trained by logopedists. Holy moly, I thought, my transdar ist better than usual people's.

I don't understand any Turkish apart from a few words, so what I got from the conversation was a bit like:
"Yüsgüldarün yamislarün +(Name of my endocrinologist."
"Yagüldarin yüsürimalya +(Name of my endocrinologist)."
"Yürilmayun yusgürildayin (Address + Name of my endocrinologist)."
etc.

My endocrinologist is where all the trans people go. The other western-styled woman, who was maybe trans, just kept silent all the time. Maybe she was shy, or God knows what voice she had or thought she had. The oriental-style elder Turkish woman seemed cool with the topic all the way through. Wow.

I was close to outing myself. But I didn't do it. The clearly trans woman was probably out to the traditionally styled Turkish woman, but she might have felt pissed off being outed in the tram in front of all the passengers. Or being "clocked" even by her own folks. Plus neither her nor her "unclear" friend (they both later left the tram together and then went through the city together) had apparently clocked me, they just ignored me all the way long, I must have seemed to be some random teenage boy for them. Though I'm 35.

It was a weird situation, and I found it best to just keep silent there.

I wouldn't suggest outing anyone. Usually they want to keep control about their outings, be it pre/without, during or after transition. And no, we're not all friends just for being all trans.
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Kaelleria

I don't really understand the whole need to identify yourself as trans out in public. I never did the whole glbt scene and don't really have a lot of pride in the way I got to where I am. I'm not stealth, but I'm not out. For the most part my life is relatively "normal" and having something to identify me in a group that isn't normally socially accepted is not my cup of tea.

This doesn't mean I'm not willing to help people, but those are not in the public's eye.

Also, never out someone.  It's usually embarrassing and potentially dangerous. Depending on the situation, it's also insulting. By coming around with a hunch, with 3rd hand information, with whatever tells that person that you do not see them as a man or woman. While this hasn't happened to me, it has happened to a friend who was deeply upset about it for a bit. If someone wants to tell you, they will.


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Alexmakenoise

I just came from an event that featured 2 performers who happened to be transsexual.  A singer / guitar player and a comedian.  The comedian mostly talked about being trans during her stand-up routine.  She was pretty funny.  I considered striking up a conversation with her and telling her I was trans too, but it didn't really seem appropriate because the event had another theme that everyone was focused on.  Or at least that was my excuse to chicken out of talking to her.  She seemed cool, but I just wasn't motivated to approach a total stranger and talk about TG stuff.
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K8

I went to a talk at the university that was promoted as Trans 101.  The guy giving it was excellent, and I had a chance to talk to him afterward.  I don't know that I identified myself specifically ("I am trans, too") but I'm sure I let him know or he could read me.  (It was last year, and I don't remember exactly.)  We had a nice chat.  But I think that is very different than seeing someone at the grocery store you think might be trans.

I think if a stranger came up to me and said they thought I was trans, I would ask why they thought that - neither admitting nor denying it.

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gilligan

Quote from: rejennyrated on November 06, 2010, 05:02:50 AM
Nah! All you need is Alison's famous tee shirt which listed all her surgeons and stylists on the front:

Tits by Porter
Vag by Dalrymple
Hair By Raoul
Legs By Alison

and on the back it said:

PS I'm TS!

Only trouble is it takes some real courage to wear...

This reminds me of a shirt a lesbian friend has. It says "Vaginas are Awesome" colored like the gay pride flag. She'll wear it with a rainbow belt, blue jeans, and shoes with rainbow laces.

How's that for pride.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Dr. Seuss
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tekla

Why not just ask them if they want a coffee?
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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erocse

Quote from: rejennyrated on November 06, 2010, 05:02:50 AM

PS I'm TS!

Only trouble is it takes some real courage to wear...

If anybody asked what TS meant just say Terrifically Sexy. (If you don't wish to explain :) )
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glendagladwitch

I remember my support group had a rule that if we saw one another in public, we were not supposed to even acknowledge one another. 

I've always refrained from doing anything like that over the years when I see a trans person in public, and I hope others will do me the same courtesy. 

In my experience, most transitioned people get nervous around other transitioners in public and try to avoid them.  I just think that's the way it is.
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Debra

Yeah I definitely put myself in their shoes when this happens. Fine to make idle conversation but never to 'out' them or even 'out' yourself.

It's like when cis ppl walk up to you and say "You're so brave" or "you pass so well" ......well um thanks but if I passed so well how did you know?

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erocse

I recently noticed a young guy at the local department store. The name tag he wears has a boys name on it. But  there is so many cues that say to me that he is a ftm. When ever we go into that store I make it a point to be nice to that person, though he always looks like he's in a bad mood. I was there the other day alone and En femme. I found a little outfit I liked and decided I would buy it. I saw that he was working the check out counter, so I made sure I would be serviced by him. Even though the amount was small I decided I would pay with a credit card, to see his response. When he checked my card and asked to see my I.D. I never seen a smile so big on his face before. He didn't say anything but he is so much more smiley when we come in now.

  Personally , If someone came up to me, as long as it was done nicely and privately. I would welcome the interaction.

   Hugs Erocse

   
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regan

Quote from: glendagladwitch on November 15, 2010, 08:29:24 AM
I remember my support group had a rule that if we saw one another in public, we were not supposed to even acknowledge one another. 

I've always refrained from doing anything like that over the years when I see a trans person in public, and I hope others will do me the same courtesy. 

In my experience, most transitioned people get nervous around other transitioners in public and try to avoid them.  I just think that's the way it is.

I can understand a rule about not disclosing how you might know eachother (to avoid outing eachother), but that's like saying I can't acknowledge knowing the people I go to church with in public for fear people might know they're Lutheran.  I wasn't really planning on discussing our Lutheranness, just saying hello, etc.  It just doesn't make sense to me...

As for people avoiding eachother, in my experience, its usually been the passable avoiding the unpassable for fear of guilt by association.  Or rather, if I pass and you don''t, people might be more suspect of me becuase you don't pass and be more critical of my flaws.
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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cynthialee

Quote from: regan on November 15, 2010, 11:03:41 AM
I can understand a rule about not disclosing how you might know eachother (to avoid outing eachother), but that's like saying I can't acknowledge knowing the people I go to church with in public for fear people might know they're Lutheran.  I wasn't really planning on discussing our Lutheranness, just saying hello, etc.  It just doesn't make sense to me...

As for people avoiding eachother, in my experience, its usually been the passable avoiding the unpassable for fear of guilt by association.  Or rather, if I pass and you don''t, people might be more suspect of me becuase you don't pass and be more critical of my flaws.
Although it is a crappy way to be I understand it.
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If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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regan

Quote from: cynthialee on November 15, 2010, 11:05:54 AM
Although it is a crappy way to be I understand it.

The truth is that, given the chance, the unpassable of the two would have it the same way.  Or rather, two moderately unpassable people are probably going to avoid the other person all the same thinking they are the more passable of the two.  Its the same reason why some people choose to surround themselves with less attractive friends, so they in turn look better.

We're all vain about our appearance, its just human nature.
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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