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Low T dosage. And Hysto

Started by jamherst, November 20, 2010, 09:57:04 AM

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jamherst

So I've been rethinking T and how I am very comfortable with my natural androgyny with the exception of the god damn mantits and the PMS which my brain is NOT wired for. I'm a guy--albeit androgynous.

For experience, is there a way to be on such a low T does that it will not go bald overnight, sprout dandelions on my legs and turn to Barry white the next morning (exaggerating, no offense meant). I know all the changes are generally slow but I do not wish to reach that of a biological male. I do not think I would be comfortable with that in the long run.

Would a histo and a low dose of T prevent my body from going through full blown male puberty? Gah--I'm so confused...what choices do I have besides the black and white...
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shiinee

Hey Jamherst (looks like it was intended as J. Amherst, but I'm going to nickname you Jam anyways in a rather patronizing manner)

Jam, I'm in pretty much the same boat as you; I see myself as a boy, but not manly at all.  To have more T in my body than E would fit better with my gender identity, but I'm not sure if I would end up at all happy looking like a man.  I've had low dose T suggested to me too, but from my understanding it doesn't result in less of a male puberty, just a slower one.

The main things that are important to me as I see them now are similar to yours: losing the breasts and the menstrual cycle, and if I could I'd like the reproductive organs and estrogen to go as well.  Among things that are not that important to me: developing male signifiers, acting or feeling masculine, passing as a man.  I just want to be happy with myself.

I guess I'll go ahead and share some of the options I'm considering now, although I don't have a good answer to your actual question.

My first priority is getting the bleeding to stop, and I haven't been able to tolerate the easy solution (birth control pills).  I'm still looking at a few other forms of birth control that would stop the cycle.  Depo-provera was my first thought, but the internets tell me it only stops bleeding completely about 50% of the time.  My therapist recommended a hormonal/IUD "Mirena," which is highly effective, but at the moment I'm disturbed by the thought of some device being in my uterus.  I'm a little uncomfortable with the progesterone based meds to begin with, but I'd feel better about it if I found an understanding gynecologist. 

I'm also looking at treatments for endometriosis which totally shut down sex hormone production.  They're also the same drugs used to delay puberty in young TGs.  Unfortunately, they're still a temporary solution after puberty.  With low sex hormones you'll lose bone density quickly, and have to worry about tripping on a shoelace and breaking your hip like you're 80 years old.  So these meds are given in short courses, which is enough to stave off endo but will not make a permanent transition.   

To deal with the chesticles, I've pretty much set my sights on bog standard FtM top surgery.  I've heard of plenty of doctors willing to do it pre-T, which would serve equally well for a totally non-T transition or starting it later in life.  I previously considered just a reduction - removing the fat, leaving the breast tissue - but I'm not so unhappy with the size as just their existence at all. 

I'm hoping that a hysto is in my eventual future, but it's extremely hard to get approved for a young "woman" who has never had children.  There's a huge bias in the medical community (well, in most of humanity really) against anyone who is young and wants to be permanently sterilized.  I will have to get my therapist to argue on my behalf when it becomes an option for me. 

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about physical treatment, but I'm happy to discuss it with you anyways.  Or we can, you know, talk about our feelings. o_O  I know that the binary has really gotten into my head as well, but I'm trying to cure that by hanging out in the Androgyne forum.
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insideontheoutside

Quote from: shiinee on November 20, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
I'm hoping that a hysto is in my eventual future, but it's extremely hard to get approved for a young "woman" who has never had children.  There's a huge bias in the medical community (well, in most of humanity really) against anyone who is young and wants to be permanently sterilized.  I will have to get my therapist to argue on my behalf when it becomes an option for me. 

I always thought this was outrageous - especially if someone were having issues like endometriosis, etc. Most docs abjectly refuse to do any sterilization surgery if you haven't had kids. I just think it's b.s. Plenty of people do not want kids and with all the problems of unexpected pregnancies and all the kids that happen that don't have great lives because they were born into messed up situations you'd think the medical world would accept the rare case where someone did want to be sterilized as a GOOD thing.

And jamherst, I rock the androgynous look too. I tried taking T for 5 weeks last year and I felt like utter crap on it for one thing and I just didn't feel "right". Plenty of people will say the exact opposite - that they only felt right ON T. Another example of how everyone's different. My normal T levels are already very close to the low-end of male anyway, which could have been one reason why adding to it just made me feel crazy awful and agro.

Genes will definitely play a part in what happens to you while on it too as far as hair loss and all that goes.
"Let's conspire to ignite all the souls that would die just to feel alive."
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jamherst

In response to shiinee:

It is a sticky situation isn't it? I would like to first point out that..IUDs...did not go well with me. My body rejected it completely and it felt like the device was poking into my rectum everytime it cramped. Pain was unbearable and nothing would help it. The insertion...let's not go there. I would really reconsider the IUD.

I find beauty in androgyny but I see myself swayed more towards the male side of things. Sometimes it can be confusing with ups and downs. Sometimes I wonder if I delay myself or doubt myself--insecurities of being rejected by an SO if I transition.

As for top surgery--it is something that I need done right away. The surgery date is on Feb 21st and I honestly cannot wait. It has given me something to work towards and look forward to (god damn I'm going to swim like a free man after that healing is done!!)

For the worries, I am not too bothered when people call me a she or a he. A 'He' would make me smile but I don't take offense to a 'she' if it was unintentional. 'A beautiful girl' on the other hand makes me depressed. I've had retail salesmen tap me on the shoulder and tell me the women's section is at the back of the store...when I'm shopping with my buddies--that's the start of a bad day right there.

P.S...what flavor Jam am I?




In response to insideontheoutside:

I would hate to go on T and regret it. I dislike that I feel the need to go on T when I'm unhappy as well (as if T would solve everything and turn my sadness into anger). I'm sure the rush that comes from HRT would be great but I don't think I desire all the male attributes. There's a certain degree of confidence in me that says--I am man enough to be secure without having to convince the general public that I am a male.

There is just so much different social pressure even in the community. I'm so inspired to see transitioned transguys but I am also so very pleased with being relatively spotless in regards to my body--I would hate to see it react to T. I can't tell if it's fear or if I'm really not for T...




To Kvall:

I did not know a person would need estrogen with a hysto. I do understand that bone density gets pretty f-ed up after the hysto so I would..assume that is the case. I just can't stand the hormonal fluctuation in a female body and how it influences how I respond to situations. It drives me to depression because I am so disappointed in myself since there's a lot of male pride in me...and part of that is to refrain from being over emotional. With the functions of this body...I can't help it. I ask sometimes....why this body is torturing me.
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shiinee

Quote from: jamherst on November 20, 2010, 08:18:15 PM
It is a sticky situation isn't it? I would like to first point out that..IUDs...did not go well with me. My body rejected it completely and it felt like the device was poking into my rectum everytime it cramped. Pain was unbearable and nothing would help it. The insertion...let's not go there. I would really reconsider the IUD.

Oh man...I have heard so many horror stories about it already.  People have had it stab them, rip their uterus, and even get lost inside them...ugh!!  Such nightmares, even assuming I could bear with the concept of something being in my uterus.  But my doctors say it's the best thing for me, and I should just get past the "mental block" so I can get the period to stop.  If I do end up getting it, I'll probably ask to be sedated for the insertion.

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P.S...what flavor Jam am I?

blackberry!
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jamherst

Quote from: shiinee on November 20, 2010, 09:38:27 PM
Oh man...I have heard so many horror stories about it already.  People have had it stab them, rip their uterus, and even get lost inside them...ugh!!  Such nightmares, even assuming I could bear with the concept of something being in my uterus.  But my doctors say it's the best thing for me, and I should just get past the "mental block" so I can get the period to stop.  If I do end up getting it, I'll probably ask to be sedated for the insertion.

blackberry!

It really depends on what position your innards are in. The insertion...was interesting to say the least.. it was a new type of pain that's for sure. I for one, couldn't take it. I also did not want any hormones in me so I went with the copper T. Mirena is more pricey and is larger as well. I wish you good luck with that though, sincerely v_v.

Blackberry eh...
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BloodLeopard

Well dude. As someone else who's kinda genderqueery... and being Italian (all the men I know in my family are fricken walking shag rugs and have REALLY deep voices and all look like mafia hitmen)... I'm on a low dose of T.

And I'm still very andro. I freaked a bit when my voice got deeper, but it stopped and now I sound like a young boy. I dont get much facial hair (thank god) and my hair hasn't sprouted up much, nor have I gotten any receeding hairline either (and hopefully won't. ;_; ).

Another thing. If you do get a hysto... drink soymilk. It has inhibitors in it that produce something like estrogen in it, and could help (maybe even without the hysto). I kinda have been drinking it and such, but gonna stop since having 17day long periods isn't my thing. I think after I do finally get my hysto, I'll ONLY drink soymilk from then on.
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jamherst

Gah...I'm so confused and afraid of going on T for so many reasons that all contradict each other.

All my friends just stand at a distance and say, "Do what makes you happy~" and I question if it will really make me happy.

One of my buddies tell me that I need to go through with it regardless because being in the gray area is going to f me up in the long run.

*head explodes*
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JohnR

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Miniar

If you aren't sure, then don't do it.
You're young, you have time to become sure which way you really want to go. It doesn't have to happen "now".

And FYI, I've been on T almost a full year and I just dyed my hair blue with the help of a female friend who complained the entire time that my hair is far thicker and fuller then hers.
None of my closest related men loose their hair before 70, so I suspect I'll get to keep mine at the very least another couple decades.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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jamherst

Quote from: Miniar on November 21, 2010, 09:01:41 AM
If you aren't sure, then don't do it.
You're young, you have time to become sure which way you really want to go. It doesn't have to happen "now".


I really want the top surgery to happen now--but why is it that T needs to be so connected and that it needs to come with the surgery. I don't understand what my friend is suggesting.
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Miniar

well, without T there's still feminine fat distribution... It's "possible" that without T, bodyfat will want to sit on the chest, causing you to get sizable moobs, even if the glands are removed.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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jamherst

Quote from: Miniar on November 21, 2010, 10:36:45 AM
well, without T there's still feminine fat distribution... It's "possible" that without T, bodyfat will want to sit on the chest, causing you to get sizable moobs, even if the glands are removed.

I thought about the fat redistribution but...I'm kind of underweight so I'm not sure that would be a perk for me.

Doubt is such an annoying thing...it comes and goes, less intense everytime. Is this normal?
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Miniar

Yep...
One isn't thinking of the same things at all times.. and situations are changing at all times..
As such, the level of doubt changes.




"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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ilanthefirst

I'm also very seriously considering going on a low dose of T or taking it only for a short period of time.  I found others doing the same thing on the transmasculine community on LiveJournal: http://community.livejournal.com/transmasculine/.  In particular, there's a guy who's been documenting his experience on low-dose T for a while, and I've found that really helpful in figuring out what exactly I want to do when it comes to hormones: http://leotron.tumblr.com

The downsides are that a low dose is unlikely to stop your periods, and it's not enough to prevent bone density loss if your ovaries are out of the picture, too.  Anyway, feel free to send me a message if you're looking for further resources, because I've found some others that I can dig up for you, or if you just want to talk to someone else who's hesitant about going on a full dose of T or taking it for the rest of their life.
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Alexmakenoise

If / when I get on T, I'd like to start with a low dose.  I wouldn't want any sudden, dramatic changes, and I'd want to take my time to see how T agrees with me.  The dosage can always be raised later on.
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