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Star Trek VS Star Wars

Started by Maddi, December 01, 2010, 06:51:58 AM

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Choose your side! Which is better?

Star Trek
34 (58.6%)
Star Wars
24 (41.4%)

Total Members Voted: 43


Jillieann Rose

Yes, Mork and Mindy were cute.
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Quote from: Jillieann on December 02, 2010, 05:55:43 PM
But my all time favorite was the series Babylon 5.
Currently watching that with my girlfriend - her first time through. The series is even better than I'd remembered, and it was already my favorite :) .
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Jillieann Rose

I like your taste in shows E.
It is the best SCI-FI series I have every seen and I have seen most of them.
;D
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Epigania

The first few seasons of Babylon 5 were amazing.   Then it started to get a little silly.    I won't go into the spin offs and how bad the movies where.

I have to say that I like Star Trek more than Star Wars, only because that series has continued to evolve over time.   Lucas' idea of evolving Star Wars is digitally removing characters and replacing them with CGI or other actors.


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Quote from: Jillieann on December 02, 2010, 06:16:12 PM
I like your taste in shows E.
It is the best SCI-FI series I have every seen and I have seen most of them.
;D
Thanks :) . Likewise ;D !

Quote from: Epigania on December 02, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
The first few seasons of Babylon 5 were amazing.   Then it started to get a little silly.    I won't go into the spin offs and how bad the movies where.
IMO, seasons 1-4, The Gathering, and In The Beginning make up Babylon 5. The rest is some other series that happened to share the name.
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Sean

Quote from: Epigania on December 02, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
The first few seasons of Babylon 5 were amazing.   Then it started to get a little silly.    I won't go into the spin offs and how bad the movies where.

I have to say that I like Star Trek more than Star Wars, only because that series has continued to evolve over time.   Lucas' idea of evolving Star Wars is digitally removing characters and replacing them with CGI or other actors.

As far as I'm concerned, Star Wars means the ORIGINAL trilogy, the way it was released, not with any additional Lucas 'tinkering.' Yes, han not only shot first. he was the only one who shot at all, so say, "Han shot" not "Han shot first."

The expanded Star Trek-verse offers more diversity - and a massive range in quality - than the expanded Star Wars-verse (canon and otherwise). But if the original movies are on, like they were last weekend as a marathon, I'm still more likely to put on Star Wars than anything in the Trek world, and when I covet items on Think Geek, it's wampa rugs, tauntaun sleeping bags, and jedi robes.

Of course, I also believe that I have the Force and that's what gets me sandwiches from the kitchen. This IS the sandwich I am looking for...



In Soviet Russa, Zero Divides by You!
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Eve of chaos

I've only seen a few star trek's with Patrick Stewart and they were enjoyable, but i prefer the original star wars mostly because they were a big part of my life growing up.

my favorite sci-fi of all time would have to be "crest of the stars" though. truly epic

Stephanie.Izann

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tekla

Apples and oranges, space is the only thing they have in common (and, at that, it's two very different universes, species wise, physics wise and in terms of set-designers too).  One's an epic quest to the heart of the immortal battle between good and evil, the other is - as originally pitched to Lucille Ball after she let finally Gene Roddenberry into her office at Desilu and said: "In one sentence."  The reply: "Wagon Train to the Stars."*  True story.

a) real actors - Harrison Ford or William Shatner?  Alex Guinnes or DeForest Kelley.  Really?  And Carie Fisher was not only hotter than all the women of Star Trek, her scene on Jabba the Hut's sand-ship alone is hotter than all of women of Star Trek combined.

b) Real Director - few things are more powerful than a single artistic vision.  Trek because of the TV series deal had lots of writers, even more re-writers, and different directors.  Wars had Lucas. The difference is huge.  Wars is one consistent product, while Trek is highly uneven, ranging from Awesome to Camp.

c) Real Money - Movies or TV?  Oh, I don't know, how about the difference between sleeping in a doorway on cardboard vs. staying in a luxury suite.  TV is about cheap, cheap, cheap - making movies is an exercise in spending money that gives the big-money boys at the Pentagon a hard-on. That difference is pretty damn clear too.  Trek is, because it is, kinda cheap, shoddy, all gimmick and no depth.  Trek sets look like, because they are, put together with the '40 foot rule' in mind.**  The Wars sets are still considered visionary.  The models even more-so.  Nothing was done on Trek that could not be done on a sound stage (cheep) and Lucas only used sound-stages as a last resort preferring the infinitely more expensive location shooting.

No where is this more apparent than in the aliens (pretty much the heart of any space saga).  All the aliens on Trek look like really bad college theater projects with latex, but the aliens on Wars, the Ewoks, Chewbacca, Jabba - those things are truly theatrical magic because they are good enough for you to actually think they are real.  Think on that for a bit.


Interesting theory about Star Trek is that it's a very thinly veiled parable of the Cold War with the US (The Federation), the USSR (Klingons) and China (Romulans).  {interesting note: my on-line spell checker has Klingon in it, but not Romulan, humm).  It's all very much a graduate school drinking game but it's kinda fun to play.


* - Props in the real world to Star Trek, which had the first inter-racial kiss on network television.
** - Broadway sets pretty much set this standard.  They are built and painted so they look right from 40 feet away, you get close up, it's like kinda icck.  Elvis's stage costumes are the same way.  So is your favorite metal band, those amps, mostly dummies.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Constance

As always, Tekla, your analysis is not only deep but a blast to read.

Sean

Quote from: tekla on December 03, 2010, 01:36:38 PM
Apples and oranges, space is the only thing they have in common (and, at that, it's two very different universes, species wise, physics wise and in terms of set-designers too).  One's an epic quest to the heart of the immortal battle between good and evil, the other is - as originally pitched to Lucille Ball after she let finally Gene Roddenberry into her office at Desilu and said: "In one sentence."  The reply: "Wagon Train to the Stars."*  True story.

b) Real Director - few things are more powerful than a single artistic vision.  Trek because of the TV series deal had lots of writers, even more re-writers, and different directors.  Wars had Lucas. The difference is huge.  Wars is one consistent product, while Trek is highly uneven, ranging from Awesome to Camp.

c) Real Money - Movies or TV?  Oh, I don't know, how about the difference between sleeping in a doorway on cardboard vs. staying in a luxury suite.  TV is about cheap, cheap, cheap - making movies is an exercise in spending money that gives the big-money boys at the Pentagon a hard-on. That difference is pretty damn clear too.  Trek is, because it is, kinda cheap, shoddy, all gimmick and no depth.  Trek sets look like, because they are, put together with the '40 foot rule' in mind.**  The Wars sets are still considered visionary.  The models even more-so.  Nothing was done on Trek that could not be done on a sound stage (cheep) and Lucas only used sound-stages as a last resort preferring the infinitely more expensive location shooting.

No where is this more apparent than in the aliens (pretty much the heart of any space saga).  All the aliens on Trek look like really bad college theater projects with latex, but the aliens on Wars, the Ewoks, Chewbacca, Jabba - those things are truly theatrical magic because they are good enough for you to actually think they are real.  Think on that for a bit.


Interesting theory about Star Trek is that it's a very thinly veiled parable of the Cold War with the US (The Federation), the USSR (Klingons) and China (Romulans).  {interesting note: my on-line spell checker has Klingon in it, but not Romulan, humm).  It's all very much a graduate school drinking game but it's kinda fun to play.


The immortal battle between good and evil or, you know, a soap opera set in space with a bunch of teddy bears with sticks.  ;) Darth Vader *is* one of the most complex characters of cinema, but let's not act like Lucas was the master of all things film (hello - dialogue anyone?). The difference is that once upon a time, he had other people who would collaborate and tell him when he was making a mistake, and he later lost that to a bunch of yes-men (hi Jar Jar!). Lucas also has a magical ret-conning ability where he has actually convinced himself that he had it all figured out (yeah, that's why Luke had the hots for his sister) rather than combining sheer visionary genius with a good team to work with and a great deal of luck in hitting a niche market at the right time.

Of course, Industrial Light & Magic has brought all sorts of wonders ever since it's creation. Hey, without it, we wouldn't even have Mythbusters.

The Star Trek Cold War subtext was not even thinly veiled.  ;)

@Seven: Not sure I've ever picked anyone up with jedi mind tricks before. That they know of, at least. hehe.

Oh, and I have to credit Star Trek for giving us the world's best villian ever: Wil Wheaton. Mr. Wheaton: bortaS bIr jablu'DI' reH QaQqu' nay'
In Soviet Russa, Zero Divides by You!
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tekla

but let's not act like Lucas was the master of all things film
Who said that, I though it was a straight up Wars v. Trek deal - it's not like either are even the best space film.  But, they are iconic like it or not.  And I was just trying to point out that comparing TV Shows (the wallpaper for the marching morons) to movies (the true 20th Century art form) is always a fake comparison as neither are like the other at all.

And
(hello - dialogue anyone?)
It's also possible to criticize Led Zeppelin for not writing enough oboe soles into their songs either.  It's just that no one cares.  People who like dialogue can go to The Theatre and watch Waiting for Godet

Every Mo-Fo in Hollywood Lucas also has a magical ret-conning ability where he has actually convinced himself that he had it all figured out
FIFY
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Quote from: tekla on December 03, 2010, 03:07:25 PM
but let's not act like Lucas was the master of all things film
Who said that, I though it was a straight up Wars v. Trek deal - it's not like either are even the best space film.  But, they are iconic like it or not.  And I was just trying to point out that comparing TV Shows (the wallpaper for the marching morons) to movies (the true 20th Century art form) is always a fake comparison as neither are like the other at all.
The two are so similar that the border gets fuzzy at times - no other two media in existence are as close as those two. It's like comparing hardback comic books with monthly comic books. And while movies do reach a higher standard, you'd have a damn hard time convincing me that "Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo" has more artistic merit than "The Inner Light". As always, blanket statements about an entire medium tend to be somewhat inadequte.

The one and only thing that makes me favor TV shows is that a TV show is longer. Thus, it can explore a situation and its ramifications in much more depth. True, most don't - but then again, I don't watch most shows. If I want art, I watch a movie. But mostly, I just want entertainment to kill some time with.
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Epigania

I suddenly have flashbacks of a discussion with a group of friends on why a fireball didn't just incinerate my spellbook in college.   I dunno why ...

<Evil Grins>

Kay

Quote from: Seven on December 03, 2010, 02:26:17 PM
John Williams.

That's all.
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Definitely.  Williams is awesome.  :) 
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Honestly, in regards to Star Wars/Lucas...I just have two words:  "Free Hat"  (any South Park fan will understand)  ;)
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shortstackftm

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yaka

i'd say star wars, but red dwarf is better than either ;)
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Cruelladeville

Tis Star Trek for me... uber alas...

As the Lucas engineered space soap-opera fable franchise... tis so limited in fact.

At least all that's Trekkie paints the 'future' at its altruistic best.... with all groups/types/tribes/sexes working together.... in meritocracy driven harmony for the collective greater good....

(Albeit as/for the Federation)

And who cannot like this as a golden rule for still future focused NASA?

"Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its mission, to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before."

What more could be sensibly added to this? Tis simply .... beautiful as an idea and concept.....

Live long and prosper!


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MillieB

You see that's what I liked about the final few series of DS9, it kind of tore the whole facade of the federation altruistic utopia to shreds and showed that Starfleet was pretty much the same as any military strong arm when thier backs were up against the wall, complete with shadowy organisations and such!

Without any doubt (IMHO) Star Trek's finest moments.
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