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Men sentenced for killing of transsexual

Started by Butterfly, December 09, 2010, 05:48:10 PM

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Men sentenced for killing of transsexual
The Dominion Post
10 December, 2010


http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4445205/Men-sentenced-for-killing-of-transsexual


The younger of two men found guilty of the manslaughter of an Upper Hutt transsexual has received a longer sentence because for him it was a "hate" crime.

David Shaun Galloway was 18 at the time he attacked 64-year-old Richard "Diksy" Jones.

Galloway was sentenced to 10 years jail in the High Court at Wellington today, and Phillip Christopher Sanders, 42, was sentenced to nine and a half years.

Both have to serve at least half the terms before they can be considered for parole.
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V M

Manslaughter? What? They beat the person to death... I would tend to call that murder  >:(
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Nicky

Well, our laws are a little different here. For murder you have to prove it was premeditated, that they intended to kill the person.

10 years is a big sentence here too.

But OMG, I live in Upper Hutt!!!   :o :o :o
->-bleeped-<-!!!

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V M

13-14 impacts to the head? 64 year old Diksy must have been rendered unconscious long before that

True, premeditation does have to be proven though

At least you have two less thugs on your streets for awhile
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Nicky

makes me ill thinking people can do this kind of thing.  :'(
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V M

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Epigania

Because it was a hate crime, he got an extra 6 months?  Wow .. Talk about the heavy hand of the law ... /SarcasmOff


tekla

Hey, they could be out in five years.  Next time I need to kill someone I'm going to Australia.
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V M

They're in New Zealand...

But yeah, I thought they should have gotten 20 - Life each... Like, how often does someone accidentally beat someone to death?
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CaitJ

I'm glad that these two were sentenced and put behind bars; not that long ago they would have walked with a slap on the wrist.
Mostly I'm glad that Disksy got some kind of justice from this - I've been following the progress on the case for quite a while.
I'm sure some unpleasant things will happen to these chaps in prison and make their sentence that little bit more unpleasant.
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tekla

In the States, five years for that is a slap on the wrist.
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CaitJ

Quote from: tekla on December 09, 2010, 11:17:41 PM
In the States, five years for that is a slap on the wrist.

10 and 9.5 actually. Our parole system isn't very lenient (and absolute sentence max in NZ is 15 I think).
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tekla

15 would have been a minimum here just for manslaughter (15-25).  In this case, since they were beating on her (aggravated assault) and that's a felony, her death during the commission of a felony would elevate the charge to murder one automatically (25 years to life).  If  the state were to claim, as would be possible, that they beat her as a form of torture, that would be murder with special circumstances, so that would be a possible capital case.  Charge both with full counts, and since they are total scum one would roll on the other for a deal, and I'd have one in jail for life, the other for 25 years.  Or I'd have one on death row, and the other in for life.  Either way.
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CaitJ

How enlightening. I'll remember that if I go to the US and consider committing a transphobic killing  :)
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Michelle.

I would wager that Texas, Alabama, and Utah would "treat"these two lovelies in a manner described by Tekla. However said US courts might not add the label of "hate crime" to either punk-in-waiting.

So which system is better and more protective of LGBT peoples. The NZ one where I can kill anyone I feel like and get out in under 15 or TX justice?

I rather be living in Texas given the choices presented here.

Nice to read that one got the extra SIX months, some enhanced protections!!!
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Epigania

Quote from: Mich'elle on December 10, 2010, 01:55:49 AM
However said US courts might not add the label of "hate crime" to either punk-in-waiting.

You'd be surprised.   More and more states are adding Gender Identity and Expression as protected status.  In fact a lot of the West coast states consider us a protected minority.   

I suppose in NZ, it's a smaller country and it adds a lot of burden to imprison people for life.  It just seems dangerous to let someone who has killed someone out of hate and anger out after 10 years.  That's not very long.

tekla

You could send them to any number of states for a one-way ride on "Old Sparky."  Too bad you can't just transfer them to the Louisiana State Prison at Angola, where it's said that 85% of the people who go in never come out. 

Point is, I don't even think that 'hate crime' should enter into this discussion.  A murder perpetrated in such a cold, cruel and violent manner should receive a maximum penalty regardless of who the victim was.  Once you're at the max, what do enhancements matter?  Who cares if its 'transphobic'?  If you are beating someone to death that ought to be the end of the line no matter who you were raging on.
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pixiegirl

Of course the flip side to this having happened in Texas Utah etc. is that in any of those states they'd have been able to present a 'trans panic' defence and wind up being acquitted with an apology from the court for wasting their time... >:(
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tekla

Really?  Too bad the facts don't synch up with that argument.  At least in the US.

In 1987, Joseph Mitchell Parsons, who called himself the "Rainbow Warrior,"[15] claimed that he killed Richard Lynn Ernest to defend against a homosexual advance, but was unable to present any evidence at trial to support this claim.[16] The victim's family and friends stated in court that Ernest was not gay or bisexual.[17] Prosecution witnesses testified of Parsons' homosexual activity in jail.[18] A forensic psychiatrist from the University of Utah stated that the descriptions of Parsons' sexual history indicated that he "may have been the one initiating the contact and became angry when [Ernest] turned him down."[19] Parsons was executed by lethal injection at Utah State Prison in October 1999.[15]

In 1995, one of the highest-profile cases to make use of the gay panic defense was the trial of Jonathan Schmitz, who killed his friend Scott Amedure after learning, during a taping of The Jenny Jones Show, that Amedure was sexually attracted to him. Schmitz confessed to committing the crime but claimed that Amedure's homosexual overtures angered and humiliated him. Legally, this defense had a very weak standing for him, since in cases of legal provocation providing for diminished capacity, it is required to have an immediate response. Since he had not acted until three days after the incident, legally, he failed to show any panic-based violent psychosis. He was convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to 25 to 50 years in prison.

In the 1998 murder of university student Matthew Shepard, the defendants claimed in court that the young man's homosexual proposition enraged them to the point of murder. However, Judge Barton Voigt barred this strategy, saying that it was "in effect, either a temporary insanity defense or a diminished capacity defense, such as irresistible impulse, which are not allowed in Wyoming, because they do not fit within the statutory insanity defense construct." After their conviction, Shepard's attackers recanted their story in a 20/20 interview with Elizabeth Vargas, saying that the murder was a robbery attempt gone awry under the influence of drugs. This claim was denied by the defendants' girlfriends.

A transgender variant of the gay panic defense was also used in 2004–2005 by the three defendants in the Gwen Araujo homicide case, who claimed that they were enraged by the discovery that Araujo, a transgender teenager with whom they had engaged in sex, was biologically male. The first trial resulted in a jury deadlock; in the second, defendants Mike Magidson and Jose Merél were convicted of second-degree murder, while the jury again deadlocked in the case of Jason Cazares. Cazares later entered a plea of no contest to charges of voluntary manslaughter.


This was also tried in the cause of  Angie Zapata, that guy is now doing life without parole.

It's not exactly a winning strategy.
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pixiegirl

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