the video shouts female to me though I agree with the sentiments.

He's right. It's a damn shame. I luckily haven't dealt with this myself. My two best friends are a gay male and a lesbian. But I've seen it happen to a couple of my other trans friends.

Live and let live. Is it really that hard?

Oh gee I wonder who he could possibly be talking about!

I personally haven't experienced this, but I'm not out to all my friends yet...

Quote from: lilacwoman on December 11, 2010, 02:26:24 PM
the video shouts female to me though I agree with the sentiments.

I think the voice might be leading you that direction lilac... give the man's T a chance to do its job

Quote from: juliekins on December 10, 2010, 05:26:55 PM
I came across this video on a friend's Facebook, check it out:

Very cool video.

I haven't gotten any transphobia from the gays here (Cebu, Philippines) because they just don't seem to be able to understand the concept!!! Lesbians and DYKES in particular don't understand. I have a dyke friend who keeps describing me as a dyke and it kind of pisses me off and I always scold her  And though I've explained it to her a thousand times, she's always like, "What's the difference?" Argh.

It might be because Filipinos have their own terms... Tomboy is like an umbrella term for all sexually deviant (?) females and because transexuality is a fairly new concept here, it falls under that word as well. And there are different kinds of tomboys kind of like there are butches, dykes, lipstick lesbians, etc.

amusing video....
a tad long... by 3 minutes in it became just like "okay I get the point already"
I've been in discussions about this topic before, and the end result is typically just perplexed.
Then again that is only a portion of the gays.  Most of my friends are gay, and are all about having a transman friend.

This video got me thinking about why this phenomenon exists.  Here's what I came up with.

• In the gay community, there's a long-established tradition of playing with gender expression.  Most people don't know there is a difference between gender identity and gender expression.  Gay people, already familiar with all kinds of gender expression might think something along the lines of, "Why take hormones and get surgery when you could just cross-dress?  What's the difference?  Are you doing this because you hate your body?  Or because you don't want to be gay?"
  
  
• There's a common misconception that people transition because in their birth sex, they're gay, and they'd rather alter their body than live as a homosexual.  Obviously wrong, but if you did believe this, I can see how it would be offensive.
  
  
• A lot of the harassment that gay people commonly experience has to do with gender.  How many gay guys have been called "sissy" (or worse)?  How many lesbians have been called "mannish" (or worse)?  When people want to make fun of gay people in an especially juvenile way, they often compare them to the opposite gender.  This probably causes people to feel defensive about their gender identity.  So when someone from the gay community comes out as trans, maybe it strikes a nerve, as if the trans person is confirming the accusations of the tormentors.

Just some food for thought.  I think the trans community needs to make more of an effort to educate the gay community about what it really means to be trans.  Open the lines of communication some more.  Because all the possible explanations I can think of would be the result of ignorance.

I could not agree more. This guy is my hero.

I think that there needs to be more exposure and education about transgendered people in general, not just in the gay community.  It's something that, until I started hanging out here, I had never really heard about.  My dad and brother work in the same building as a trans woman and I think that a (not too polite) conversation they had about her a few years ago was the only time I had ever heard of it.  Before that, I thought that there were only drag queens and kings.  It makes me wonder how things could have been different if I had realized at a younger age that transition is a viable option, and I bet it's the same with a number of you guys too.

Sorry to completely derail off the topic, but it's something that's been bothering me a lot lately.

Exposure works, one person at a time.  "Education" is a steaming pile of crap that tossed by people who can't, or won't, do the exposure deal.  It works about as well as a magic rock.

Quote from: Alexmakenoise on December 12, 2010, 01:00:40 AM
There's a common misconception that people transition because in their birth sex, they're gay, and they'd rather alter their body than live as a homosexual. 

After reading this thread, I read some trans-bashing on a gay forum online. I noticed the common misconception you have mentioned in the quote above as the reason they are trans-bashing in that forum.

This is why we should NOT use that silly GLBT acronym!! I'm a transgirl who is attracted to men and I personally don't feel ANY connection to GLBs, and the GLB and T sides usually don't like each other very much anyway! So what's the point??? I have also heard stories about homophobic transpeople, esp by ones who have had the surgery. So it goes both ways.

There are tons of posts on here about this issue of GLB vs T. It's ridiculous that they think we transition b/c we don't want to be gay. So many of us, even on these boards, BECAME gay when they transitioned!!!!! I mean my god!!

Chrissi

They also seem to like to ignore the fact that many of us fall under the "b" category.  We're bi either way, but somehow they seem to forget that.