Have spent al lot of this morning looking at different search engine results of androgyne and i must admit i am somewhat confused as a lot of what i have found seem to revolve around what people look like and not how they feel inside. A lot of the pictures i have found are of people who look almost genderless, by that i mean you couldnt really tell if they were male or female, if a lot of them were not showing off their body bits. Now i must admit i am very new to this whole andro thing, but even after coming on here i have come across a lot of people who seem to be on my wave length, but then other andros mention about achieving this andro look. I personally would like one day to have the body parts of both genders, while still remaining male on the outside, a kind of he-she-male look  as i feel that would match up to how i see myself, so does that not make me andro or some kind of sub section of being andro instead?

the thing you talk about, I cal "physicality"
Basically it's part of the TG body issues.
An androgyne is part male and part female in their way of being.
The body may or may not match.
Personally, I have done a lot of effort to make my body match more my mind, but it's painful.
Most androgynes just don't bother, as we usually seem to acknowledge it's not really necessary, as there seems to be very little "other side" where to transition.

that's my opinion and it's due to change without previous warning.

Some Androgynes find living in their body too hard and need to make changes others are happy to be seen and to live at the role defined as "normal" by their society either are equally androgyne if they see themselves as neither Male or female exclusively there is a lot of different ways to express being androgyne or "not normal" gender wise some look more freaky then others for some people on here finding the right look is very important others it doesn't seem to be an issue. where ever you sit presentation wise you will find others similar to you here

Androgyne and androgynous are two very different things which often show up at the same party

At one time i researched a bunch of info and put it into a pdf. about 30% if i remember correct live androgynous. This however is different from most other genders because it is desired, rather than by accident, or a transition. though 70% do not live androgynous. 10% live full their birth sex or fully opposite their birth sex. This is going off what i remember....

Actually, it's not entirely clear to me why the forum is called "Androgyne talk" instead of "Genderqueer talk."  I think it really comes down to the fact that the words for non-binary identities are largely invented because few cultures already have a word for the idea.  To some people, "androgyne" refers to one's appearance, and to others, it refers to a neither-purely-female-nor-purely-male identity; I tend to associate it with the former, but that's probably because I only heard it used that way before.  And there are so many other terms for different types of non-binary identities that it's hard to choose just one that encompasses all the others.  (If you want to read about more terms for not-totally-male-and-not-totally-female than you've ever imagined, check out T-Vox: http://t-vox.org/index.php?title=Main_Page.)

I know other people with non-binary identities pursuing medical transition, so I don't think there's any reason to think that a desire for a different body would keep you out of the club.  Just like with binary trans identities, there's a distinction between being transgender and being transsexual, and while the fashion perspective on androgyny you've seen in web searches seems like it only concerns gender, it's not unusual to also experience dysphoria like MTF and FTM trans folks do and take action on that.

Unfortunately, "androgynous" is often mistaken for "androgyne."  There are a lot of androgynous-looking people (purposefully or not) who identify as binary.  They just look androgynous.  They aren't androgyne.

It's a shame you can't just search and find what you are looking for.    I feel your pain.

The thing to keep in mind is that "androgyne" is just a gender identity.  People who are androgyne may wish to look androgynous, but that's more of a reaction to their gender identity, rather than the other way around.



We've had the forum-name discussion before.  It's just best not to go there.  It's Androgyne Talk and it isn't going to be changed.  Just an FYI.  Avoid that topic. 

Quote from: LilDoberman on December 18, 2010, 07:18:43 PM
Androgyne and androgynous are two very different things which often show up at the same party

I've felt that the term Androgyne, as it is used here at Susans is more of the general term that covers most of the non-binary terms. It's easier than going through each individuals definition for any particular term that they like to use for themselves. Unless that is what you are discussing in a thread for that discussion.

but just because I think thats real, does not mean that I know what I'm talking about.

Dont have a go at me if i say something dumb, im only an apprentice, but i guess by looking andro you either want to look genderless or a cross betweeen both, now with me i want in some way or another to have boobs so i can have the body of both sexes while remaining looking male facial wise. Am i also trying to look andro, or is there some other term i would be better off using.It dont really bother me, it did once as it seemed important that i gave myself a label...then i realised labels where just for clothes!

In my head androgynous doesn't mean genderless, it's a broad term that makes anyone not know for sure what you happen to have under the napkin.  I can't think of another word off the top of my head that would fit; I think you could use andro just fine
But, you're right;  many labels overlap, and some things have no labels at all.

Thanks LilDoberman, i just find it so hard so understand, take for instance yourself and Ken/Kendra you both i  would say have the Andro look which you explained about not knowing what was under the napkin, whereas me its plain to see im a bloke (despite the plucked eye brows and the girly jewelery i wear at all times) so if you call yourself Andro then how can i cos i dont look nothing like you??

Anyway like i said dont intend wearing a badge stating what i am. I should like to point out i have just added my avatar and like i have just stated its plain to see i am a bloke!!!! My wife sometimes get annoyed that on every trans site i have joined i have always put a photo of me in girl mode, i was on this instace going to put a pic on here of my normal self, but some of you on here might have read some of the comments i have mentioned about coming across as a male, and basically i bloody hate it, i might be a husband to my wife and a father to my children, but thats as far as the male terms can be used in conjunction with what i am, dont get me wrong i am not female either, however at a choice i would prefer to come across that way.

Shelly, you think you scream 'bloke' because you happen to know what's under your napkin.  You would certainly make other people think

Ive gone out looking simular to what i do in my avatar only for people to shout "eh its a bloke" but yet on other days ive just been my normal self not shaved in days and yet had blokes come up to me and refer to me as "love"....sometimes i wonder why i bother.

Quote from: Ilan Reshon on December 18, 2010, 11:37:52 PM
Actually, it's not entirely clear to me why the forum is called "Androgyne talk" instead of "Genderqueer talk."  I think it really comes down to the fact that the words for non-binary identities are largely invented because few cultures already have a word for the idea.  To some people, "androgyne" refers to one's appearance, and to others, it refers to a neither-purely-female-nor-purely-male identity; I tend to associate it with the former, but that's probably because I only heard it used that way before.  And there are so many other terms for different types of non-binary identities that it's hard to choose just one that encompasses all the others.  (If you want to read about more terms for not-totally-male-and-not-totally-female than you've ever imagined, check out T-Vox: http://t-vox.org/index.php?title=Main_Page.)

I know other people with non-binary identities pursuing medical transition, so I don't think there's any reason to think that a desire for a different body would keep you out of the club.  Just like with binary trans identities, there's a distinction between being transgender and being transsexual, and while the fashion perspective on androgyny you've seen in web searches seems like it only concerns gender, it's not unusual to also experience dysphoria like MTF and FTM trans folks do and take action on that.

Thanks for posting T-Vox  link, I do find this interesting. midana

Quote from: shelly on December 21, 2010, 01:22:31 PM
Ive gone out looking simular to what i do in my avatar only for people to shout "eh its a bloke" but yet on other days ive just been my normal self not shaved in days and yet had blokes come up to me and refer to me as "love"....sometimes i wonder why i bother.

I lol'd at this.  When I try my hardest to present as male or androgynous, I still get "ma'am"-ed.  But when I roll out of bed and don't even think about it, people ask me if I'm a boy or a girl.  I think, hard as it may be, it's best to not let your confidence in your identity depend on how others read you.

That being said, based on your avatar pic., I would have said you were female, so I agree with LilDoberman that you're probably being too harsh with yourself.

Dont get too carried away with pic as this was the after picture of a professional makeover and without a doubt the best i have ever looked especially when you bare in mind that in bloke mode i look like Danny Devito. If i would of died that day i would of done so very happy indeed as it was the first time i had ever seen the "Shelly side" of me properly and i just wished i could of stayed that way forever. My wife has always stated that i dont change in anyway when im dressed up, so i just wonder why i feel so good when i am, theres just seems to be something in side of me that tells me this is who you really are. I can understand why people accuse me of being TS when i say things like this, but outside of the need to look female, whever by clothes or having breasts, i feel im just a normal guy.

Blimey does this make sense???

Shelly, you make sense, even though you don't seem to believe that you do.

You make an awesome looking woman when you want to, as your avatar shows. I'm sure most of the time you look somewhere between, and could probably look quite male if you wanted to. The fact that it took a professional to make you look like you think would be perfect is no big deal. I can't think of a GG I know who doesn't get regular professional help with their appearance (hair, face, nails, etc.). Think of the professional beautiful people in the media. What's the chances any of them look any good without their makeup, hair, and clothing staff working harder on them than they do on themselves?

Don't make me talk to your wife about it! Grow a pair! (above the waist of course!)
PM rules.

Sfem, so i see you took my advice and checked this place out, ive been a member now for over a week (and not upset anyone so far, so unlike me eh?) and it is without a doubt the best site i have come across, could not believe how many times i said to myself while reading threads on here, that sounds just like me.Took another mothfull off my wife last night about getting down about my breast size, she read what you are doing on nexus and suggested i also take 3 PM a day and has ordered me to carry on taking them for 6 months to see what happens, my wife can be very forcefull at times lol

Sfem, that avatar pic on nexus of yours, is that your chest??? You are very very  lucky indeed if it is.

Yes, it is. I have another that a friend took on a buddies golf trip in November. It looks like I am wearing a stuffed bra, and I was wearing nothing, I swear! It does make me wonder that none of the other 7 guys said anything to me.

Now I have to figure out how to put my avatar up on here...

Sfem you have to leave 15 posts on here before you can put avatar on here. To be quite honest with you, if my chest looked like yours on nexus them i would consider it a case of job done, how bigger would you like to get?