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The Great TSA Pat-Down Smackdown

Started by Natasha, December 10, 2010, 10:33:13 PM

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pixiegirl

Quote from: lisagurl on December 14, 2010, 06:48:27 PM
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Your freedom is at stake if they can force you to buy insurance and government controlled medicine, they can force sexual abuse on you anywhere including going into the mall. Next step is a chip implant under your skin. What will follow that? You have no privacy, not on the streets, not in your car, not at the doctor, not at the airport, not at school, not at your job. Yes is is very important and very relevant to this thread.

And big pharma controlled insurance is by default better I suppose because the relatively few people in control of it aren't as accountable? You already don't have much privacy in most of those places, and none of that explains why you felt the urge to hold Obama responsible for a Bush policy agency he can't do anything to. You are aware they aren't the same person, right?

Quote from: lisagurl on December 14, 2010, 06:55:24 PM
Those countries are in worse shape when you compare their GNP to their debt than the U.S. is.

Would that be total debt, credit debt, just public debt, what? 'Cos depending on which you're either somewhat right, a little less right or totally wrong there. Also, most of them aren't owned by China either but hey.

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lisagurl

QuoteYou are aware they aren't the same person, right?


It started long before with Social Security and FDR. Each time a man made catastrophe encouraged people to make choices they would not have made unless under duress. Computers just made it easy to take both our privacy and freedom. Each time the Federal control has gotten stronger and the states lose their liberty and independence. This is done by strings on Federal money. We can change the system by being responsible and not demand the Federal Government solve our problems. Big pharma as well as big everything else that is too big to fail is in violation of the anti trust and anti monopoly laws. Starting with Reagan no President has enforced them. We have a Government that does not follow its own laws. Yet it selectively enforces them on us. As you congressmen to have the same Obama care. They make themselves an elite and live under different rules. Unless we demand new corporate charters that include their reason to be also is for the public good and limited size, not just to make a profit we will only be more enslaved. We also have to pay more for American made goods as to demand a minimum wage here but buy products made for 80 cents an hour will never create meaningful work for Americans. We also need to tie our laws to the products such as environmental and worker safety. Those are the tools to fix America no health care or security inspections. If Americans took their responsibility and knew their neighbors we would not have illegal aliens breaking the law as we would know they are not citizens but criminals not caring about our laws or way of life.
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tekla

It's good industrial policy, if that's good for all of us, but bad for you personally, tough.  Move.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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lisagurl

Quote from: tekla on December 14, 2010, 08:02:30 PM
It's good industrial policy, if that's good for all of us, but bad for you personally, tough.  Move.

We are humans not an economy or industry. We are not efficient. You can not escape Global domination by the elites you can only find smaller and smaller places to hide from it. Marketing and control of your every move is everywhere.
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tekla

We are humans not an economy or industry

We humans, the American one (though others on here also) live in a highly industrial, very technological economy.  That's just a fact of life.  The well-being of our nation depends on several things that are not economic, but the economic aspects of our lives as part of a global economy are undeniable too, at least for those of us who work.  However, if you live on any sort of pension, retirement money, social security etc... then any situation that can can create hyper-inflation could wipe all that out in short order.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Muffin

America........................................... it has so much potential. So much. :(
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tekla

We'll try to live up to your expectations in the future.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Muffin

mine or most of the rest of the worlds? :P
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Britney_413

A lot of these problems are a result of the people actually. While the government is constantly thinking of new ways to control citizens' lives for the most part citizens actually want government in their lives. I can sum up just about all my political views on all issues in two words: personal responsibility. Every time you take responsibility for a choice you make whether it is your health, safety, security, finances, work, school, ethics, social interaction, relationship, or any other issue then that is one more step toward you being a free sovereign individual who determines your life destiny and your own pursuit of happiness. Every time you decide that you want someone else to take responsibility for one of those areas of your life you are delegating that choice to someone else such as your family or the government.

I used to be a flaming liberal. I believed in the mantra that the whole human population should come together, work together, share together, provide for each other, etc. I was basically a communist. Then as I started working and paying bills and interacting with more regular people in the adult world I started realizing that most people are where they are because they put themselves there. Some people are naturally lucky and others are naturally unlucky but even within those spheres they still have an element of choice. The problem with choice is that it comes with consequences requiring responsibility. People who want freedom understand the risks and responsibilities of choice and that nothing is guaranteed in life. People who don't want to have to take responsibility for their life want the government or someone else to do it for them.

This is why I'm now a libertarian. Life is tough and really sucks a lot of the time. But those who struggle through the impossible and eventually succeed become better people and set better examples to others in life. When everyone is homogonized to not think for themselves and give up powers to others to do everything for them it creates a lot of the problems we have today: intellectual laziness, no motivation, crime, a sense of entitlement, etc.

Either you control your life or someone or something else does. I don't like getting on commercial airplanes or entering government buildings for the sole fact that I'm required to give up my tools of self defense and put my faith in government security forces who at the end of the day don't really care what happens to me. I don't care if it is my safety, my health, my money, my religion, whatever. I want to decide how I pursue my happiness, not leave it up to the government. As long as people continue to not take personal responsibility, we will continue to lose our freedoms. It is that simple.
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justmeinoz

Meanwhile back at the ranch... I like the idea of wearing a bikini under a coat so there is nothing to hide. Or maybe I'm just letting out my inner exhibitionist.  >:-)

I don't mind paying taxes,I like having a sewerage system and clean water to drink and good roads to ride my bike on.  Also a health system that looks after the basics, but if I want more I can pay insurance to cover it.

Of course it helps if a country has a properly sorted, broadly based,  sufficiently regulated  but still flexible economy  that lets it avoid the economic disasters that have befallen most of it's trading partners. 
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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tekla

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
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lisagurl

QuoteThere are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life:

One book when you are ready to be responceable. "The Proper Study of Mankind: An Anthology of Essays by Isaiah Berlin,"
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tekla

One book when you are ready to be responceable. "The Proper Study of Mankind: An Anthology of Essays by Isaiah Berlin,"

And yet another book, when you want to use words the rest of us understand is "The Dictionary."  Remember Lisa, when you want to be a smart-ass, and forget the 'smart' part, all you are is an 'ass'.
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Midana

This made me feel disgusting when the TSA "touch" the children, this is the inapporiate way for doing this. These children needs not to be touched by these people!! They are  innocent children, and yes, they will suffer mentally/physcially scar in their mind for the rest of their life.

This is worse case I ever seen in many years, Are we into "Big Brother" state? So much for terrorist. It is a price we have to pay for, and no, the freedom isn't free. I think I will ride the train/bus, or at least, rental car. Bye bye to the airlines industries!
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VeryGnawty

Quote from: Midana on December 21, 2010, 02:13:21 PMThey are  innocent children

In the "new and improved" America, everyone is guilty before proven innocent.  Now, wait in line to be anally probed.  After all, someone may be hiding a bomb in there.

Given the clear and overreaching abuse of this government, I can confidently say that the cake truly is a lie.  For some reason, people still think they can have their cake and eat it.  People need to wake up.  The writing is on the wall.  Every time people give up their power to the government, it allows the government to try to seize even more power.

In the meantime, our children are learning that it's perfectly OK for complete strangers to grope them in the name of "security"
"The cake is a lie."
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lisagurl

Quotein the name of "security"

There will never be security if every citizen does not report any crime they see and testify against the criminal. Nobody wants to be responsible. Act like children then you will be ordered around like a child.
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regan

The TSA uses a modified "pat down" for children.  They would have to fail the body scan to begin with before they ever got patted down.  The teenager ahead of me went through just fine and didn't need a pat down.

As long as we're decrying the police state, lets remember we allow medical professionals to touch our children in far more invasive means in the name of medicine and no one has a hissy fit about it.  Give the TSA a break and parent up for a change...

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/pat_downs.shtm
http://www.adn.com/2010/11/24/1571271/scanner-or-pat-down-for-children.html
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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tekla

Yeah, about your parenting skills...
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Muffin

pacify pacify submit submit!!! *bows down to all mighty TSA*. Excuse me.....you missed a bit... don't be afraid it's ok.... ohhhh ohhhhhhhhh babbbbbyyyyy!!! that's the spot..... *drools* .....how do you do that..?....... where can I buy one of those magical wands???? *blush*.
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tekla

I like how there is no difference between a medical doctor and some person making minimal wage with a GED...
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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