Quote from: Dominick_81 on December 28, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
I just had my consultation with the doctor and she said that I should have my ovaries removed to get the best effect of T... my question is... how many of you are on T and don't have your ovaries removed? And are the effects with T still good that you pass as male?

She told me that I wouldn't be able to grow a full beard. I don't want patches of hair on my face, I wanna be able to grow something that doesn't look stupid, ya know what I mean?

I have been on T for over 5 years.....never had my ovaries removed.  I think they just shrival up.  As far as the hair growth......I have no problem growing a full beard....I have to shave every day.  I am very hairy....I even have hair on my back.  I think it has to do with your genetic make up also as far as your hair growth.

The recommendations for cervical cancer screenings differ significantly based on where you live.  The North American protocol of annual screenings as soon as you've had vaginal intercourse, or after a certain age even if you haven't depending on where you are, will result in the average woman having 40-50 tests over her lifetime or so, depending on when they start and stop, and a 95% chance of a biopsy or something frozen/cut/burned off, yet if untreated, only a 1% risk of cervical cancer in the highest risk groups (unprotected sex with multiple partners).  In Finland and the Netherlands, even the highest risk groups don't get tested until they're 30 (false positives are *far* more likely the younger a woman is, normal cellular changes are read as abnormalities), and then every 5 years afterwards, for a total of 5 to 7 lifetime tests, and in the UK apparently they can't force you to get the test - they need to tell you about the risks of false positives and how unreliable the screening actually is, now.

If you're under 30 and consider yourself less high-risk sexually than the average denizen of Amsterdam's red light districts, you may wish to do further research on the topic before deciding one way or the other.  It's your body, not the American medical establishment's, or the board's, or or your mom's, or your friends who want you to share their misery.

If you want the vaccine, and are over 26, if you're not trying to get insurance coverage for it, why would a doctor have a problem giving it to you, given that they routinely write antibiotic prescriptions for colds merely to calm an overly-paranoid population?  If you haven't been around anywhere near as much as the average 26 year old, and you explain that to your doctor, you'd expect them to want to hurry up and get you that shot fast before you *do* catch it - like if you'd missed any other vaccinations.

I think it was my therapist who mentioned that by removing your ovaries, you can decrease the T dosage.

Quote from: Dominick_81 on December 28, 2010, 05:58:19 PM


I hope I don't get hairy. I don't want to be a hairy guy. I'm okay with some hair. I'd like to grow some facial hair, like a beard or go-t (however ya spell it).

If I shave the hair off in places I don't want it, will it grow back even more?

I didn't want to be hairy either, but unfortunately we can't choose which side effects we get  I thought that I would not be hairy because none of the men in my family are hairy, but apparently I do carry the hairy gene after all.

Shaving will not make the hair grow back even more, it will grow at the same rate and same thickness.

Quote from: trnsboi on December 30, 2010, 08:48:10 PM
I didn't want to be hairy either, but unfortunately we can't choose which side effects we get  I thought that I would not be hairy because none of the men in my family are hairy, but apparently I do carry the hairy gene after all.

Shaving will not make the hair grow back even more, it will grow at the same rate and same thickness.

That's good to know. Hopefully I won't be hairy and if I do get hair in places I don't want it, I will be shaving it off.

Quote from: Jet-Ffuel on December 30, 2010, 01:19:12 PM
I have been on T for over 5 years.....never had my ovaries removed.  I think they just shrival up.  As far as the hair growth......I have no problem growing a full beard....I have to shave every day.  I am very hairy....I even have hair on my back.  I think it has to do with your genetic make up also as far as your hair growth.

Really? You have to shave everyday? I though most guys shave once a week or every 4 to 5 days? 

I do not want hair on my back.  I will shave my back if I get hair there.  I don't even want hair on my stomach, and I especially don't want hair on my chest with those things there, it's weird to me to have hair growing on my chest with those things that shouldn't be there. It just doesn't look right.

Quote from: Dominick_81 on December 30, 2010, 11:04:56 PM

Really? You have to shave everyday? I though most guys shave once a week or every 4 to 5 days? 

Maybe if they're 19.  All the guys I know had to shave everyday once they were in their early 20's.   After just a day there'd be major stubble, after two they'd look extremely unkempt.   I'm not looking forward to that extra chore so much, but you take the bad with the good.

As for body hair, I wouldn't mind some more on my stomach and a bit of chest hair.  I hope I don't end up like my ex, his back was so hairy that if he shaved it he felt like a porcupine after half a day.  I'd get it waxed instead if I ended up that hairy.

I'm on T and my ovaries are still in tact.
I asked my therapist about a hysto and she said not to do it unless they give me trouble because it can lead to other problems.
But i think your GP is wrong, not heard about getting a hysto and then going on T o.o

Quote from: Keiran84 on December 31, 2010, 11:17:21 AM
Maybe if they're 19.  All the guys I know had to shave everyday once they were in their early 20's.   After just a day there'd be major stubble, after two they'd look extremely unkempt.   I'm not looking forward to that extra chore so much, but you take the bad with the good.

As for body hair, I wouldn't mind some more on my stomach and a bit of chest hair.  I hope I don't end up like my ex, his back was so hairy that if he shaved it he felt like a porcupine after half a day.  I'd get it waxed instead if I ended up that hairy.



Not a good pic....but I am very hairy......yes even my chest has hair......remember..I have been on T for 5 years......again it depends on your genetic make up as to how much hair you grow.  I have always been hairy.......I just got hairier when I started taking T.

I can't imagine a doctor who would advise an oophorectomy prior to going on T. I've been on T for over 2 years now, and haven't had surgery on anything yet. While I am still waiting to have the money for top surgery, I'll probably have an oophorectomy at some point to prevent cancer... but the lack of that certainly hasn't stunted my body's reaction to T. I had a full beard by 4 months on T, and now have hair everywhere... chest, back, stomach, legs, arms, shoulders... and I can't imagine that it could have been any faster had I not had ovaries when I started.

You may want to find a doctor who actually knows what he/she is talking about.

SD

Quote from: Sebastien on December 31, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
I can't imagine a doctor who would advise an oophorectomy prior to going on T. I've been on T for over 2 years now, and haven't had surgery on anything yet. While I am still waiting to have the money for top surgery, I'll probably have an oophorectomy at some point to prevent cancer... but the lack of that certainly hasn't stunted my body's reaction to T. I had a full beard by 4 months on T, and now have hair everywhere... chest, back, stomach, legs, arms, shoulders... and I can't imagine that it could have been any faster had I not had ovaries when I started.

You may want to find a doctor who actually knows what he/she is talking about.

SD

I do like this doctor though. She was very nice and so was the nurse practitioner.  She was recommending it to me b/c she said the changes would be better or faster or something like that.

I literally do not know one trans man who has needed to get a hysto or an oophorectomy before beginning T. I'm very active in the trans community, so i've met many many trans people. I would seriously considering look for a new doctor, because it sounds like she has little experience in dealing with trans folk. She may be nice, but you want someone who has experience and knows what they're doing! Especially if she's recommending unnecessary surgeries. Seriously! You want to be safe.

When you start T, the T levels have to compete with the estrogen levels already present. Eventually the T levels over-power the estrogen  levels. So yes, changes will take a little longer because you have to wait a bit for the T to do it's magic, but it still works. You can always go on an estrogen blocker if you're that concerned about competing hormone levels. Most people begin testosterone therapy without an estrogen blocker, and they do just fine.

Also, i have a full beard and i still have my ovaries. Haha i know quite a few guys with beards and ovaries. One of my buddies has a HUGE beard, like all the way down to his chest.

Personally, if your doctor is recommending it and your insurance will cover it, go for it.

And I say this because I want to KILL ALL THE OVARIES!!

Why?

Effing ovaries will likely kill my sister this year.  F**K OVARIES.

Rid yourselves of the evil things.


Jay ::off soapbox::

I don't know how it's done everywhere else, but in Australia the vaccine was given out for free to everyone in a certain age group. That being said, anyone else could go to their doctor and get it, they just had to pay for it like any other medication.

Don't quote me on this, but I remember reading somewhere on wikipedia that for FTM's who hadn't had vaginal intercourse, there were theories that a physical exam would not be needed. I know that doesn't help anyone who has had intercourse, but if you haven't, it's something useful to know.

I remember it well because I spazzed with joy when I read it. I'm never allowing anyone to do that to me, I'll take the cancer over the mental trauma thank you.

I'm going to have to go and find that info again!

-runs off to do research-

Started T about a year ago, had ovaries removed (with the rest of the bits) in September.

Had excellent T effects before the surgery.
There is a little difference since surgery but I definitely didn't "need" it for sake of T effects.

Just had my annual exam, told my doc I was hoping I would need a hysterectomy for medical reasons so my insurance would cover it. She said I would be fine if I didn't just make sure I come in every year. The advantage to having one is I would be able to lower my T dose even more. If all else fails I can get one here in Portland for $10,000.
Myles