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You prefer to be BEAUTIFUL(but NOT PASSING) or PASSING(but ORDINARY-LOOKING)?

Started by Sad Girl, January 03, 2011, 01:09:02 AM

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Sad Girl

If you had to choose to be a VERY BEAUTIFUL BOMBSHELL but NOT PASSING or to be PASSING FOR FEMALE at 100% but ORDINARY-LOOKING, which would you choose honestly?

I know girls like below who looked like a bombshell but then turned out to be ordinary-looking after FFS. I wonder if this FFS is like this all those who formerly looked very beautiful. I'm still hesitant about this FFS and I'm afraid to turn out ugly or weirdo like Michael Jackson after FFS.

BEFORE FFS


AFTER FFS



What pisses me off the most is I NEVER understood how come some extreme straight men would prefer go with an ordinary-looking girl than go with a bombshell transsexual?
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sonopoly

I think she passes beautifully before FFS.  The only thing that MIGHT tip me off is the voice.
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CaitJ

The woman in the second clip was one month post-op and still quite swollen.
She was also wearing no make-up and didn't have her hair done, unlike the first clip.
You're comparison is going to be unfairly biased due to these factors - and totally inaccurate.
Show us a clip of 6-12 months post surgery with her dressed up for a night on the town.

QuoteWhat pisses me off the most is I NEVER understood how come some extreme straight men would prefer go with an ordinary-looking girl than go with a bombshell transsexual?

Are you an extremely straight man?
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japple

Quote from: Vexing on January 03, 2011, 01:18:32 AM

Show us a clip of 6-12 months post surgery with her dressed up for a night on the town.

That was my thought too, unfair.  Here is a fair video where she's done up: http://www.youtube.com/user/->-bleeped-<-Girl15#p/a/u/1/_tlGZzOAG4w

She's still a bombshell. 
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Sad Girl

Quote from: Vexing on January 03, 2011, 01:18:32 AM
The woman in the second clip was one month post-op and still quite swollen.
She was also wearing no make-up and didn't have her hair done, unlike the first clip.
You're comparison is going to be unfairly biased due to these factors - and totally inaccurate.
Show us a clip of 6-12 months post surgery with her dressed up for a night on the town.

Are you an extremely straight man?

What are talking about sis? LOL! It's that I know 'strict straight men', they prefer bio women even they are ordinary-looking over transsexuals who look like Goddesses and I find this unfair. HOW n WHY do they prefer that way? And the AVERAGE STRAIGHT are all like that. THEY WOULD NEVER GO WITH A POST-OP TRANSSEXUAL NO MATTER HOW BEAUTIFUL SHE MAY BE.
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Sad Girl

Quote from: japple on January 03, 2011, 01:50:33 AM
That was my thought too, unfair.  Here is a fair video where she's done up: http://www.youtube.com/user/->-bleeped-<-Girl15#p/a/u/1/_tlGZzOAG4w

She's still a bombshell.

Oh yes you're right but she's still more beautiful in the 1st video overall. The FFS made her face a lil bit weird. Anyway I'm still just curious if you all here would prefer being beautiful or feminity more?
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Espenoah

Sorry to intrude on the ladies' side, but I thought this was interesting. In the case of attractiveness vs. passng, I would pick passing any day. Looking good would mean nothing if I wasn't happy with myself, and I certainly wouldn't be if I appeared to be my birth sex to others. In fact, I think I would have a very goodlooking female face, but I would be so uncomfortable it wouldn't even be worth it.
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." -Harvey Milk
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sonopoly

"Oh yes you're right but she's still more beautiful in the 1st video overall. The FFS made her face a lil bit weird. Anyway I'm still just curious if you all here would prefer being beautiful or feminity more?"

I agree that she looks more beautiful in the first video, but still very feminine, more so than a lot of bio women.  I think there's all ranges of "femininity" and "masculinity" (looks wise) in all people, but you can usually tell if someone is either female or male.  I see a lot of gorgeous women (models, actresses, people in real life) who might be considered to have masculine features (which can even be what makes them beautiful) and a lot of below average women that have what are considered very feminine features.  I don't think this is about being transgendered really.  A woman can be beautiful and "masculine" or beautiful and "feminine" as well as ugly and "masculine" or ugly and "feminine".

I do understand what you're trying to understand (I think anyway) -- why would a man not want a beautiful transgendered women over a less attractive bio woman?  Hmmm, most likely because he's afraid and can't handle the idea, or maybe he likes the less attractive women's PERSONALITY better.  Beauty may be an asset, but it certainly isn't the priority in choosing a mate.  But really, many guys just can't deal with being with a transgendered women -- why?  I don't know if this question can really be answered, maybe a million different reasons. You might have to put each of them in a therapist's office to get your answer.
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CaitJ

Quote from: Sad Girl on January 03, 2011, 02:08:58 AM
What are talking about sis? LOL! It's that I know 'strict straight men', they prefer bio women even they are ordinary-looking over transsexuals who look like Goddesses and I find this unfair. HOW n WHY do they prefer that way? And the AVERAGE STRAIGHT are all like that. THEY WOULD NEVER GO WITH A POST-OP TRANSSEXUAL NO MATTER HOW BEAUTIFUL SHE MAY BE.

You didn't answer my question.
Are you an extremely straight man?
If not, then why do you think you would have a hope of understanding how they think about trans women?
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Britney♥Bieber

she looks a bit creepy in the second video, but she's obviously still recovering. In the video posted by another user, she looks gorgeous.

CaitJ

Quote from: Sad Girl on January 03, 2011, 02:14:16 AM
Oh yes you're right but she's still more beautiful in the 1st video overall. The FFS made her face a lil bit weird. Anyway I'm still just curious if you all here would prefer being beautiful or feminity more?

That's not indicative of all FFS though. Different surgeon, different kind of FFS, she could look less 'weird' (as you put it). Using this person as a benchmark is pointless as there are too many uncontrolled variables to account for.
I don't think I can answer your original question though since I consider myself beautiful and 'passable'. I'm not interested in entertaining hypothetical scenarios where I'm masculine, beautiful and not 'passable'.
IMO, she passes in the first vid based purely on visuals. She's within the deviation of female features.
Does she know you've posted her vids on here to critique her looks?
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Britney♥Bieber

Quote from: Vexing on January 03, 2011, 03:49:14 AM
That's not indicative of all FFS though. Different surgeon, different kind of FFS, she could look less 'weird' (as you put it). Using this person as a benchmark is pointless as there are too many uncontrolled variables to account for.
I don't think I can answer your original question though since I consider myself beautiful and 'passable'. I'm not interested in entertaining hypothetical scenarios where I'm masculine, beautiful and not 'passable'.
IMO, she passes in the first vid based purely on visuals. She's within the deviation of female features.
Does she know you've posted her vids on here to critique her looks?

I agree! Like it seems if someone is beautiful, then they pass.

rejennyrated

No doubts in my mind at all. I absolutely prefer to look natural and pass even if it means that no one notices me. To my eyes about 98% of women I see have some masculine features, and well over 50% of them have more masculine features than I do, so I figure I am no worse off than any of them and I really don't see why I should expect to be any better.

The only things which I might have done IF I had ever had them to do, were adams apple and maybe a brow ridge, but as I never developed an adams apple that wasn't necessary, and any brow ridge I may have is so slight that it is easily within the androgynous range and thus broadly acceptable for a female face.

I don't wear makeup, and I haven't had FFS. I may not be a beauty, but I pass and I simply don't understand why anyone would want to be beautiful if it meant not passing. I also agree with Vexing that it isn't necessarily an either/or. You can be both.

But for me, given that many beautiful women often struggle to be taken seriously by men I am actually almost glad that I am not beautiful because it means I am mostly still allowed to have a brain. ;)
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Rock_chick

It is certainly possible to be beautiful and pass...there are enough girls here who you'd be hard pressed to guess weren't natal females to prove this point. However, it is also possible to chase a vision of female perfection that doesn't really exist, spending lots and lots of money on surgery and pass worse than they did before. People get suspicious of perfection and tend to look even harder for flaws where as if you aim for a solid 7 out of 10, people will forgive just about anything and take you at face value because no one is perfect.
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pebbles

What do you mean? I wasn't a bad looking as a male my problem was that I intentionally hid my features behind unstyled long greasy hair looked miserable and wore black baggy clothes all the time because I didn't want to be a guy. I felt diseased to I tended to look it even if I wasn't.

As a girl I suspect I'm pretty plain but that's fine I'm happy to take that any-day :)
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Lisa

Quote from: Espenoah on January 03, 2011, 02:22:53 AM
Sorry to intrude on the ladies' side, but I thought this was interesting. In the case of attractiveness vs. passng, I would pick passing any day. Looking good would mean nothing if I wasn't happy with myself, and I certainly wouldn't be if I appeared to be my birth sex to others. In fact, I think I would have a very goodlooking female face, but I would be so uncomfortable it wouldn't even be worth it.

I am with you on this,
For me there would be no point in looking good if I don't pass.
No question in my mind, if I had to chose between looking good and passing then I would pick passing any day.
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Lisa

Quote from: pebbles on January 03, 2011, 07:00:27 AM
What do you mean? I wasn't a bad looking as a male my problem was that I intentionally hid my features behind unstyled long greasy hair looked miserable and wore black baggy clothes all the time because I didn't want to be a guy. I felt diseased to I tended to look it even if I wasn't.

As a girl I suspect I'm pretty plain but that's fine I'm happy to take that any-day :)

Haha, yeah.
Bad times.
I did the entire dark clothes thing, cargo pants and shirts, all about one size too big. Looked terrible.
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VeryGnawty

Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on January 03, 2011, 03:55:36 AM
I agree! Like it seems if someone is beautiful, then they pass.

Ugh.  This is why I'm getting tired of these either/or questions.  They just are not realistic.

I mean, seriously.  Is there a beautiful woman who does NOT pass?  I've never heard any of my guy friend say something like "Dang that chick is hot even though you can tell she used to be a guy"

It seems like if you are beautiful, then you are probably going to pass 99% of the time regardless.  Unless you just have really masculine mannerisms.
"The cake is a lie."
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Double_Rainbow

Whew, ok.  Well what can I add to this thread that hasn't already been said?  Honestly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder unless we're taking in subconscious thoughts such as face symmetry and what not.  You can find somebody beautiful until their personality shows otherwise...then they aren't so beautiful anymore!  What one person may find beautiful, another may find repulsive and so on and so on. 

Personally I like people who have androgynous features on their face, does everyone else hold this view?  No...so don't worry about what the 'extreme straight men' are thinking and just keep on feeling comfortable with your own self.
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VeronikaFTH

Quote from: Sad Girl on January 03, 2011, 01:09:02 AM
What pisses me off the most is I NEVER understood how come some extreme straight men would prefer go with an ordinary-looking girl than go with a bombshell transsexual?

Simple: It's that male masculinity thing. Anything a guy thinks makes them less "manly", or "gay", they don't want to have anything to do with. They can't deal with the fact that they are with a person who was born male. Guys get confused, because they are attracted to a transwoman, but they know that we were once male physically, and still are genetically, and that trips their gay alarm. Then they start worrying that they might be GAY! And of course, we all know that the WORST thing that could POSSIBLY happen to any guy is to be GAY, right?!? Sheesh...  ::) Like there aren't more important things to worry about... 

In some people's minds (men AND women), we will never be considered women, and will be considered male no matter what we do. Unfortunately some people are just simple or closed-minded and will never be able to see past our birth genders.
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