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Do you know any mtf who MARRIED but NEVER REVEALED she was male before?

Started by Sad Girl, January 02, 2011, 11:39:29 AM

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JennX

Quote from: Valeriedances on January 03, 2011, 10:12:56 PM
Okay Jenn, I'm sorry if I offended. I know it's a sensitive topic. I am using the standard definitions of sexuality, but obviously in a poor way as I attempt to describe my own life history.

You didn't offend me in the least. It takes a lot more than words on a screen.  ;)

Just sharing my viewpoint. That's all.  ;D
"If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
-Dolly Parton
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Sad Girl

There's nothing more scary for me than to reveal a strict straight man that I'm a trans, worse, a pre-op. I'm more afraid to be rejected than to be smashed on the face. I've been rejected ALWAYS for a serious relationship that now I'd rather die than reveal and sometimes when other jealous people go reveal my partners about me, I deny to death. If ever 1 day I get to operate, I'll NEVER reveal what I am if ever I marry. Most of the strict straight men are all HYPOCRITES and FAKE. They make BIG BIG love declaration and even make drama of committing suicide and bumping their heads on the wall if I don't love them and when I reveal what I am they DUMP ME IN A FRACTION OF SECOND. WTF is that? BEFORE REVEALING, I WAS THE SAME F... PERSON RIGHT? GOSH! But too bad I dunno why I am dependant and need them badly to survive.

WATCH THIS SHOCKING REVELATION OF A TRANS TO A STRAIGHT MAN
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CaitJ

Quote from: Sad Girl on January 05, 2011, 06:18:53 PM
There's nothing more scary for me than to reveal a strict straight cis man that I'm a trans person

QuoteWATCH THIS SHOCKING REVELATION OF A TRANS WOMAN TO A STRAIGHT CIS MAN

There you go, fixed it for ya  :)
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Vexing on January 05, 2011, 06:52:46 PM
There you go, fixed it for ya  :)
Quite so and anyway Sad Girl that show was specially commissioned by Sky part of the Murdoch FOX empire to deliberately create a shock reaction. The fox empire is not known for its sympathy to us.

It was originally intended to be shown on British TV back when transwomen were open season for routine media ridicule however sky were forced to pull the programme and it was never shown in the UK after word got out and provoked a huge public backlash complaining that the whole setup was tacky and unfair to BOTH the man and the woman involved.

Shortly after this the Uk law was changed to give transwomen legal recognition and indeed that legislation also included a basic right to privacy from such cheap media ridicule.

What created the violent reaction was not that she was trans - but that these men had had that information DELIBERATELY obscured from them by the programme makers and thus they right felt that they had been tricked and made fools of.
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glendagladwitch

Dating stealth is so hard and unrewarding.  One guy I had been dating I told in a public place and he started screaming and threatening to kill me.  We hadn't even gotten past second base.  And every relationship that started out stealth ended in disappointment.  I considered never telling again, but there's something really unfilfilling in dating somone who would despise me if I were truly intimate enough with him to share that information.  There's no trust.

So I started taking out dating ads online and in the paper making it clear I was post op in the ad.  I got a lot of creeps and some weird voicemails, but I met my spouse that way.  We've been together now for over ten years.

One story that's kind of funny now that it's so long ago is that one of those guys that answered my ad apparently didn't understand the ad.  We were riding along in his car when I said something in passing that made it click for him.  He asked me to repeat what I said, looked comically horrified, stopped the car, kicked me out, and drove away.
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CaitJ

Quote from: glendagladwitch on January 05, 2011, 07:38:44 PM
So I started taking out dating ads online and in the paper making it clear I was post op in the ad.  I got a lot of creeps and some weird voicemails, but I met my spouse that way.  We've been together now for over ten years.

Aww. It always makes me feel all warm and squidgy inside when I hear how long you two have been together  :D
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VanOcc

Quote from: rejennyrated on January 02, 2011, 01:08:39 PM
Most normal decent men will NOT be interested when you are pre-op.

I think that's a little unfair - doesn't a statement like that perpetuate the belief that all women should have a vagina and all men should have a penis? That's quite insulting and damning to non-op transwomen.

The way you have phrased that sounds like it's justifying the behaviour of men who disregard pre-op transwomen, because you have described them as 'normal and decent'. I would not consider a man decent if he didn't even try to accept a pre-op transwoman whom he was genuinely interested in just because of her genitalia.

Why would one want a man who could not accept a transwoman's past, if post-op, and future, if pre-op?
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CaitJ

Quote from: Dee_pntx on January 05, 2011, 08:14:03 PM
Another thing I take issue with is the "I was born a man." 

Yes. This.
Also, people saying "You're not a biological female".
If I'm not a biological female, then what am I? A robot female? I'm a biological organism, not a fracking toaster.
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CaitJ

Quote from: VanOcc on January 05, 2011, 08:25:17 PM
Why would one want a man who could not accept a transwoman's past, if post-op, and future, if pre-op?

Yes, a man who would reject a woman purely because she was unwillingly assigned 'male' at birth isn't very 'decent' in my book.
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pixiegirl

I'm just going to jump in here quickly and defend toasters, because they are awesome.... Vex if you were a toaster I'd never hold that against you.

That said, personally, honesty is so important to me, including in relationships that non-disclosure of something big by either myself or a partner would be a dealbreaker. But thats me.
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Sad Girl

Quote from: glendagladwitch on January 05, 2011, 07:38:44 PM
He asked me to repeat what I said, looked comically horrified, stopped the car, kicked me out, and drove away.

SHUCKS!!!  >:( I'm sorry to hear that sis. The worst on my side is a guy on the bus station found me pretty and dared grabbing me by my arm and as soon as I said 'Pardon?' and he heard my masculine voice and he started yelling :"->-bleeped-<-GOT! A ->-bleeped-<-GOT!! A DIRTY FILTHY ->-bleeped-<-GOT!!!" in front of EVERYONE, his friends started to laugh at me and everyone turned and started looking at me. I felt so humiliated that day.  :embarrassed:
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ToriJo

Quote from: VanOcc on January 05, 2011, 08:25:17 PM
The way you have phrased that sounds like it's justifying the behaviour of men who disregard pre-op transwomen, because you have described them as 'normal and decent'. I would not consider a man decent if he didn't even try to accept a pre-op transwoman whom he was genuinely interested in just because of her genitalia.

Why would one want a man who could not accept a transwoman's past, if post-op, and future, if pre-op?

Agreed.  I hope I'm a decent man (I'm sure I'm not normal, but not because of this issue!), or at least on my way to becoming one.  I've never been in the situation to date a someone who was pre-op, but I would like to think that if the right woman was there in my past, I'd have at least given it a chance.  Like I would have done with anyone else.

There's a lot of bigots.  The bigots are the ones that won't change and can't be educated.  I can't imagine anyone wanting to go out with a bigot, stealth or not.

There's also a lot of just plain ignorant people.  I was one of them.  I "learned" in high school biology that males have "XY" chromosomes and women have "XX".  Why wouldn't I believe that?  I never learned or heard of anything decent about transgender, transexual, intersex, etc.  All I knew about gender was that you were either XX or XY.  I couldn't imagine ever wanting to be a woman - and, naturally, having no exposure to anyone who didn't fit the binary system perfectly, I assumed everyone else felt the same way.  I certainly didn't personally know any trans people.  What changed my views was meeting a few people who didn't confirm to the magic formula.  As I learned that the formula I was taught was bull (because people were "out" and forced me to think about it by their very existence), my views changed.  I praise God for that daily because if my views didn't change, I wouldn't be married to my wife - I believe He put people in my life to show me how ignorant I was.

I don't think I'm unique.  I didn't run from my wife when she told me (before we even started dating) about her history.  It didn't change my view of her because of education - I wasn't completely ignorant anymore.  And I think there are others like me, although I think a lot of people like me have been less fortunate than I was, and, thus, had little exposure to diversity.  I don't think most people have ever had to spend a second or two thinking about what makes someone "male" or "female".  They just take it for granted that everyone is like them, at least until they are forced to think about it by being confronted with the existence of someone who doesn't fit their make-believe world view (where everyone is either XX or XY, and that's the whole story).

I will say my wife went way, way longer than any woman should have to find her soul mate.  And she's told me some heartbreaking stories of her dating experiences.  I really can't understand how people can be that cruel to someone like her.  I can't even begin to understand what allowed her to keep looking for the right person - it's a strength that I doubt I would have had.

But the point is that we are out there.  I know there are too many that are still ignorant, or, worse, bigots, and that these people outnumber the decent guys.  It makes me cry that some people must hide their past to find a partner - a partner who would have disagreed with (or been repulsed by) the choice someone made to transition and/or present as their true gender.  Everyone deserves better than that.  Everyone deserves a partner who would have supported them in their past, not just in their present.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: VanOcc on January 05, 2011, 08:25:17 PM
I think that's a little unfair - doesn't a statement like that perpetuate the belief that all women should have a vagina and all men should have a penis? That's quite insulting and damning to non-op transwomen.

The way you have phrased that sounds like it's justifying the behaviour of men who disregard pre-op transwomen, because you have described them as 'normal and decent'. I would not consider a man decent if he didn't even try to accept a pre-op transwoman whom he was genuinely interested in just because of her genitalia.

Why would one want a man who could not accept a transwoman's past, if post-op, and future, if pre-op?
But if you had read the whole thread before replying you would have seen that I have already clarified that point to Jennx and Jocelyn. My observations may indeed be outdated but that doesn't mean that they were wrong back when I was preop in the late 70's and early 80's. I think people sometime forget how hard it was for us all back then. And yeah you are right it probably was a patronising and insulting attitude from an age when most people thought we were sexual perverts or nutters, and therefore likely to molest children and do all sorts of unspeakable things. Unfortunately if you suffer enough insults and rejection at the hands of another group you do tend to unconsciously assume that that is what they all feel.
Quote from: Slanan on January 06, 2011, 12:20:58 AM
Agreed.  I hope I'm a decent man (I'm sure I'm not normal, but not because of this issue!), or at least on my way to becoming one.  I've never been in the situation to date a someone who was pre-op, but I would like to think that if the right woman was there in my past, I'd have at least given it a chance.  Like I would have done with anyone else.
And if you read my original reply on this point to the other two you will see that I was talking about the way things were back in the early 80's which was when I was last preop. As I have already said I am happy to accept that things may have moved on, but we can only speak from our own experience, and mine comes from a different age.
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Northern Jane

It doesn't seem to matter how you phrase it, it is STILL a bomb! As soon as a guy starts getting ANY inkling of anything out of the ordinary he starts getting scared, and who can blame him? With all the sensationalist television and "freak stories", as soon as you start talking about abnormalities, you KNOW where his mind is going to go.

Honest to gawd I swear life was easier in the 1970's and 80's, before 'freak show TV' There seemed to be more acceptance that this was a simple and straight-forward medical condition and anyone who went through all the shyte and abuse to transition and have SRS then MUST be a woman. It probably helped that there wasn't as much "blurring of gender lines" then so folks were accepted on the basis of who they appeared to be.

"The past" is nearly 40 years ago for me now and is pretty irrelevant for me except for my involvement in Intersex activism/education but that's part of my life and I don't want to give it up. I have dated a LOT over the last few years and with only one exception, not a single guy has got past the point of 'disclosure'. It is very discouraging....
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Starveil

I'm in the same boat as Slanan. I'm currently engaged to a wonderful girl that I've been seeing for the past two years. We might be few and far in between, but we're out there, somewhere.

I first met my fiancée at a dinner party, two years ago. I was immediately struck by her appearence. She was pretty, yes, but 't were her grace and elegance that moved me. I felt priviliged, because I couldn't help but feel as if I was the audience in a play where she was the lead actress and everyone else at the dinner party was merely fulfilling supporting roles. Most of all, however, I was captivated by her eyes. Those sparkling sapphires, radiant like stars, calm yet profound like a crystalline lake under the cover of moonlight, burning brightly with the flame of intelligence and of life... and of sorrow. I couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but there was a great sadness in her. No one else seemed to notice, so I did not ask.

I approached her, and we started talking. We immediately connected in a way that I'd never before experienced, and most likely never will again for as long as I live. The only way I could remotely explain this exhilarating feeling is by a corny metaphor: it felt as if we were two pieces of the same soul that had finally been brought together. It was as if, somehow, we belonged together. Not necessarily as a couple, mind you, but as two people that were meaningful to eachother. She obviously felt the same way, because we started seeing each other regularly.

Then, a couple of weeks later, about the third time we met, she confided in me. She spoke in a soft, vibrating voice, afraid as if merely uttering them would make them shatter. Her words were plain and simple enough, yet veiled and subtle. "I haven't always looked the way I do now."

At first thought, I naïvely thought she ment she'd changed her hairdo or something. Coloured her nails. The intensely nervous manner in which she was peering at me from under her eyelids, however, told me this was deadly serious. I couldn't help but feel I was in somewhere way over my head. I hadn't a clue just what I was in, however.

That moment lasted but the blink of an eye. Not an instant later, the full implication of her words was revealed to me. Now, to say I was unsuspecting would be an understatement, since I'd never been confronted with transgender issues up to that point. I was dumbfounded, to say the least. I sat there, in shock and in awe, for in that very same instant, she'd shattered my entire worldview and instantaneously replaced it with a new one, a view where she had taken her rightful place. I was engulfed by thoughts and emotions. I was humbled, honoured, glad and thankful that she had found me worthy to be confided in. I felt pain, regret, and anguish as I realised all the things she must've been through, the hardships she had to endure, the misunderstandings she had to cope with, and I felt deep sorrow that she had to suffer all that all alone - to the point were I could barely constrain myself from bursting out in tears. I realised that I deeply cared for her. Above all, however, I was deeply honoured and profoundly grateful. I had been chosen worthy to be given a glimpse of this brilliant diamond, where most others may only see one or perhaps two facets at the same time. At that precise moment, I saw her for who she really was - a beautiful, radiant star that had chosen to unveil herself for me.

I realised right there and then that it did not change who she was in the slightest, and that I could not possibly care less what she had looked like in the past. What did it matter? All that mattered was who she was then and there. But how could I relate this to her? The way I expressed myself was vitally important. I couldn't help but become somewhat nervous myself as I saw here sitting there, this beautiful woman of mine, her hands clenched tightly together, not knowing how I would react. How hard it must have been for her to confide in me!

I could clearly see that she was worried. How much time had passed? It couldn't have been more than two, three seconds, and yet, since I did not immediately reply, she was worried that I had taken it the wrong way. As I smiled towards her, I could see her relax, and only then did I realise just how tense she must have been.

"This does not change who you are. It does not matter to me how you may have looked in the past - what matters to me is who you are today." And as she smiled back at me, I realised everything would be alright between us.
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JaimeJJ

Quote from: Starveil on January 06, 2011, 09:50:03 AM
I'm in the same boat as Slanan. I'm currently engaged to a wonderful girl that I've been seeing for the past two years. We might be few and far in between, but we're out there, somewhere.

I first met my fiancée at a dinner party, two years ago. I was immediately struck by her appearence. She was pretty, yes, but 't were her grace and elegance that moved me. I felt priviliged, because I couldn't help but feel as if I was the audience in a play where she was the lead actress and everyone else at the dinner party was merely fulfilling supporting roles. Most of all, however, I was captivated by her eyes. Those sparkling sapphires, radiant like stars, calm yet profound like a crystalline lake under the cover of moonlight, burning brightly with the flame of intelligence and of life... and of sorrow. I couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but there was a great sadness in her. No one else seemed to notice, so I did not ask.

I approached her, and we started talking. We immediately connected in a way that I'd never before experienced, and most likely never will again for as long as I live. The only way I could remotely explain this exhilarating feeling is by a corny metaphor: it felt as if we were two pieces of the same soul that had finally been brought together. It was as if, somehow, we belonged together. Not necessarily as a couple, mind you, but as two people that were meaningful to eachother. She obviously felt the same way, because we started seeing each other regularly.

Then, a couple of weeks later, about the third time we met, she confided in me. She spoke in a soft, vibrating voice, afraid as if merely uttering them would make them shatter. Her words were plain and simple enough, yet veiled and subtle. "I haven't always looked the way I do now."

At first thought, I naïvely thought she ment she'd changed her hairdo or something. Coloured her nails. The intensely nervous manner in which she was peering at me from under her eyelids, however, told me this was deadly serious. I couldn't help but feel I was in somewhere way over my head. I hadn't a clue just what I was in, however.

That moment lasted but the blink of an eye. Not an instant later, the full implication of her words was revealed to me. Now, to say I was unsuspecting would be an understatement, since I'd never been confronted with transgender issues up to that point. I was dumbfounded, to say the least. I sat there, in shock and in awe, for in that very same instant, she'd shattered my entire worldview and instantaneously replaced it with a new one, a view where she had taken her rightful place. I was engulfed by thoughts and emotions. I was humbled, honoured, glad and thankful that she had found me worthy to be confided in. I felt pain, regret, and anguish as I realised all the things she must've been through, the hardships she had to endure, the misunderstandings she had to cope with, and I felt deep sorrow that she had to suffer all that all alone - to the point were I could barely constrain myself from bursting out in tears. I realised that I deeply cared for her. Above all, however, I was deeply honoured and profoundly grateful. I had been chosen worthy to be given a glimpse of this brilliant diamond, where most others may only see one or perhaps two facets at the same time. At that precise moment, I saw her for who she really was - a beautiful, radiant star that had chosen to unveil herself for me.

I realised right there and then that it did not change who she was in the slightest, and that I could not possibly care less what she had looked like in the past. What did it matter? All that mattered was who she was then and there. But how could I relate this to her? The way I expressed myself was vitally important. I couldn't help but become somewhat nervous myself as I saw here sitting there, this beautiful woman of mine, her hands clenched tightly together, not knowing how I would react. How hard it must have been for her to confide in me!

I could clearly see that she was worried. How much time had passed? It couldn't have been more than two, three seconds, and yet, since I did not immediately reply, she was worried that I had taken it the wrong way. As I smiled towards her, I could see her relax, and only then did I realise just how tense she must have been.

"This does not change who you are. It does not matter to me how you may have looked in the past - what matters to me is who you are today." And as she smiled back at me, I realised everything would be alright between us.

That is the most beautiful thing I have read in a long time, Starveil.  I hope you let your soulmate read that post, it brought a tear to my eye.  What a lucky girl.
"everyone thinks that i have it all, but it's so empty living behind these castle walls"
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Cruelladeville

I've only used straight hetero dating sites....

And haven't told any of my long-term b/f's my full history....

I can legally marry as a woman as I have a fully female birth-certif.!

I don't view this as a problem....

My one rule is if anyone asked me out right I'd never deny it...

But here's the one-trick-pony ma dears.... no one ever, ever has!
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Northern Jane

Quote from: jennifer90 on January 06, 2011, 04:05:10 PM
That is the most beautiful thing I have read in a long time, Starveil.  I hope you let your soulmate read that post, it brought a tear to my eye.  What a lucky girl.

Me three!
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pretty pauline

Quote from: Starveil on January 06, 2011, 09:50:03 AM
I'm in the same boat as Slanan. I'm currently engaged to a wonderful girl that I've been seeing for the past two years. We might be few and far in between, but we're out there, somewhere.

I first met my fiancée at a dinner party, two years ago. I was immediately struck by her appearence. She was pretty, yes, but 't were her grace and elegance that moved me. I felt priviliged, because I couldn't help but feel as if I was the audience in a play where she was the lead actress and everyone else at the dinner party was merely fulfilling supporting roles. Most of all, however, I was captivated by her eyes. Those sparkling sapphires, radiant like stars, calm yet profound like a crystalline lake under the cover of moonlight, burning brightly with the flame of intelligence and of life... and of sorrow. I couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but there was a great sadness in her. No one else seemed to notice, so I did not ask.

I approached her, and we started talking. We immediately connected in a way that I'd never before experienced, and most likely never will again for as long as I live. The only way I could remotely explain this exhilarating feeling is by a corny metaphor: it felt as if we were two pieces of the same soul that had finally been brought together. It was as if, somehow, we belonged together. Not necessarily as a couple, mind you, but as two people that were meaningful to eachother. She obviously felt the same way, because we started seeing each other regularly.

Then, a couple of weeks later, about the third time we met, she confided in me. She spoke in a soft, vibrating voice, afraid as if merely uttering them would make them shatter. Her words were plain and simple enough, yet veiled and subtle. "I haven't always looked the way I do now."

At first thought, I naïvely thought she ment she'd changed her hairdo or something. Coloured her nails. The intensely nervous manner in which she was peering at me from under her eyelids, however, told me this was deadly serious. I couldn't help but feel I was in somewhere way over my head. I hadn't a clue just what I was in, however.

That moment lasted but the blink of an eye. Not an instant later, the full implication of her words was revealed to me. Now, to say I was unsuspecting would be an understatement, since I'd never been confronted with transgender issues up to that point. I was dumbfounded, to say the least. I sat there, in shock and in awe, for in that very same instant, she'd shattered my entire worldview and instantaneously replaced it with a new one, a view where she had taken her rightful place. I was engulfed by thoughts and emotions. I was humbled, honoured, glad and thankful that she had found me worthy to be confided in. I felt pain, regret, and anguish as I realised all the things she must've been through, the hardships she had to endure, the misunderstandings she had to cope with, and I felt deep sorrow that she had to suffer all that all alone - to the point were I could barely constrain myself from bursting out in tears. I realised that I deeply cared for her. Above all, however, I was deeply honoured and profoundly grateful. I had been chosen worthy to be given a glimpse of this brilliant diamond, where most others may only see one or perhaps two facets at the same time. At that precise moment, I saw her for who she really was - a beautiful, radiant star that had chosen to unveil herself for me.

I realised right there and then that it did not change who she was in the slightest, and that I could not possibly care less what she had looked like in the past. What did it matter? All that mattered was who she was then and there. But how could I relate this to her? The way I expressed myself was vitally important. I couldn't help but become somewhat nervous myself as I saw here sitting there, this beautiful woman of mine, her hands clenched tightly together, not knowing how I would react. How hard it must have been for her to confide in me!

I could clearly see that she was worried. How much time had passed? It couldn't have been more than two, three seconds, and yet, since I did not immediately reply, she was worried that I had taken it the wrong way. As I smiled towards her, I could see her relax, and only then did I realise just how tense she must have been.

"This does not change who you are. It does not matter to me how you may have looked in the past - what matters to me is who you are today." And as she smiled back at me, I realised everything would be alright between us.
When I read that at first Starveil, it could have been my Husband, Im a very lucky girl that I met an understanding guy as well, you tell it so well from a guy's point of view, your Fiancee is so lucky, its so inspiring that there are guys like you, so uplifting, thank you for sharing.
Pauline
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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Melody Maia

Me three on the tears Starveil. Beautifully told.

My wife has often told me that she hopes I end up being attracted to men in the end because she doesn't want me to add lesbian and all the problems they encounter to the troubles transwomen also encounter. I pointed out to her that I will always have to deal with something as a transwoman straight or lesbian. The fear of being rejected by prospective male or female partners is real and great for me. In a sense it has already started since my wife filed for divorce once I came out to her.
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Every missing piece of me
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