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Started by Shana A, January 15, 2011, 09:13:30 AM

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tekla

Sex (sexual intimacy) and money change everything in legal terms.  You know these laws were written to protect women from male sexual predators.  Just because you are trans, does not mean you're not a predator.   I'm amazed to see all of you siding with the predator.  Is it not obvious that these women were not all that smart, or experienced?  But that's OK, let's exploit the weakest among us.   It's the tissue thin values society I guess.  At least I can only hope you're consistent about the jail thing, since female-identified prisoners should be housed with women, then...
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Arch

Quote from: tekla on January 16, 2011, 06:12:34 PMI'm amazed to see all of you siding with the predator. 

Uh, alleged predator. And I don't believe I took any side at all on this particular story. Nor did a bunch of other members.
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spacial

Quote from: cynthialee on January 16, 2011, 05:48:16 PM
I do not believe that someone could have an intimate relationship for so long without knowing.
Something else is going on here.

Yep.

And that it has only appeared in two tabloids, both known for their, albeit slightly different, obscessions with transgender issues.

It hasn't appeared in the Daily Record, which is Scotland's biggest selling tabloid. It also hasn't appeared in either the Scotsman or the Glasgow Herald, which, though broadsheets, tend to report most of the major criminal trials in Scotland.

correction. It is in the Record. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/weird-news/2010/09/29/girl-conned-two-women-into-having-sex-by-pretending-to-be-a-man-court-hears-86908-22594891/

But strangely, she has been remanded to  prison while awaiting trial. For such an apparently minor offense, that seems a little excessive.

Also, the Record report is from last September, while the others are from the last few days. Very strange.

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regan

Quote from: Vexing on January 16, 2011, 05:12:36 PM
And suddenly push-up bras become illegal, as do cosmetics.

I would think every internet dating site would also be illegal too...  :)
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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spacial

Quote from: VanOcc on January 17, 2011, 10:09:45 AM
Update:

"Obtaining sex by deception" news update
by Zoe O'Connell

http://www.complicity.co.uk/blog/2011/01/sex-by-deception/

A further correction to my earlier post, the reports is in the Scotsman. http://news.scotsman.com/news/Woman-39masqueraded-as-man-to.6691405.jp

But it is still preliminary. If, as reported in the Record, last September, this person is being held on remand, then there would appear to be something considerably more serious than what we've been told.

Still, until it actually goes to trial, we shall have to wait and see.
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Alyssa M.

Quote from: tekla on January 16, 2011, 04:08:48 PM
News flash, it's illegal to misrepresent yourself to obtain sex.  No difference in what happened here and me telling girls "I'm in show biz and can get you on stage."  A verbal contract is still a contract.

[Citation needed]

You really need to qualify what is meant by "misrepresentation" in this context -- that is, what level or kind of misrepresentation would be illegal (stipulating that such laws exist). Furthermore, even if it's so, it doesn't mean it ought to be so. Not a simple question. Also, "no difference"?!! I'd say that there's a great deal of difference.
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viscera

#27
"Girl Beds Lass For Eight Years By Acting As A Bloke"
By RYAN SABEY

Published: 15 Jan 2011
A SCHEMING woman posed as a man to trick another woman into bed - and kept up the pretense for EIGHT YEARS, a court heard yesterday.

Samantha Brooks, 26, pretended to be Lee Brooks to con her victim before fooling another woman with the same story.

Brooks told the women they could not handle her "penis" because she had suffered testicular cancer, it was claimed.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3352960/Girl-beds-woman-for-8-years-by-acting-as-a-man.html

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I'm a bit baffled by this.  I'm not sure how what this individual did was illegal.  If assault occurred I do understand, but the focus of this article is more situated on the assigned gender of Brooks.  I'm most curious what resources and rights are available to transgendered people in Glasgow.  I've asked friends in Scotland and nobody knew what legal recourse Brooks may be able to take.  I'm going to refrain from making assumptions and leave this for comments.  I do have to say though, this bothers me, and I feel sympathy for Brooks, whatever their situation may be.
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spacial

viscera.

I know there area number of support services for transgender people in Glasgow, both official and voluntary.

While I'm not, by any means, a lawyer, I do understand the principal of Scottish law. Deception, generally, needs to involve some gain.

Example. I changed my name while I lived in Scotland, according to statutory procedure. All I needed to do was write to almost everyone who needed to know, asking them to use my new name. Apart from some family members, everyone did. My passport, driving licience, education and professional certificates, welfare and so on, all agreed to use my new name. Then I issues a statutory declaration with a Notary. I couldn't change my birth certificate because it is N American. But I wrote to them and recieved a letter back in my new name, acknowleging receipt. My name was then, legally changed and that is recognised throughout the world, just as with more complicated procedures.

My point is that, this is not the sort of legal system that would, potentially, prosecute some young guy because he woos a girl by telling her he's an astronaught!

There must have been some material gain from the deception. However, time will tell.
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