What would be the mental and physical dynamics that would affect your decision? Imagine the f2ftm2mtf as a post op ftm like myself is a post op mtf. Or imagine they at least had a hysto and top surgery and grew a beard and had bone structure growth and voice changes.

I am curious to know what people who are either TS or CIS think about me or a FTM who is living as a MTF. This is not about someone who detransitions which i feel is totally different. they would change name and legal gender etc whereas a f2ftm2mtf might just simply grow their hair long and shave everyday. (PS: I have met one long haired hippy FTM and well thats another topic and he had a beard)

Hey i am not bashful so let it all hang out.. Your welcome to call me a detransitioner if that helps your explanation. Personally i am not sure what i am but i know i am finally happy with my body (female) and my appearence male. as might be the same for a f2ftm2mtf who might be glad to have breast gone and have a penis but dress as a female. In my case all i did was remove implants and cut hair. For them they might grow hair and wear breast forms and wear a dress at times.

Please note i am not seeking a relationship. If i was it would be platonic and with someone who was in their late 40's or older.

I wouldn't have an innate problem with it if we hit it off and enjoyed each others company. There would be a few unique concerns I'd have with someone in your unusual situation. Although I don't understand alot of your personal identity that's my personal problem and if I were to learn more about you I don't doubt that I wouldn't be sympathetic.

1: Would they attempt to impose there personal experience onto me and potentially push me down a path that isn't right for me?

2: Are they really at ease and reasonably constant with there gender identity now? But if they aren't would he or she be open about this insecurity in a relationship?

That is if I was looking to be involved in a relationship now but of course sometimes these things pick you not the other way around. And I'm not in your age group either

I am a Cisgendered heterosexual woman. I find the company of good people most important. Fun, kind compassionate friends are always wanted. I have thought from your posts you would be fun to know and hang out with.

Hugs,
Patty

Life happens.  In and of itself I don't think this would affect my decision much.

I would not - independent of gender identity and body parts.

I can understand detransitioning as a concept. But, as you point out, this is something a little different. My take would be that there is a very strong chance that someone who has traveled the kind of journey you describe is either prone to rash/impulsive behavior OR has not truly found peace with him, her or hir self. I would think, "Well, you think you've figured out how you would like to live your life NOW, but who is to say it won't change again?" And while I think people should feel free to express their gender as is true to their gender identity at a particular moment in time, I personally crave stability in my life that is incongruent with what you're talking about.

It might not be true in your personal circumstance. I don't know you. But I would be waiting for the 'next' shoe to drop, so to speak, with someone who has traveled that path.

It is about the person, not the gender.

Quote from: Janet Lynn on January 23, 2011, 12:28:54 PM
It is about the person, not the gender.

This.

As long as the person is stable, loving, etc., etc., it's all okay to me.

As Janet says its about the person.  For me I would be dating an F2M and for me also they would need to have the right bits down below.

Hey i just got back from a antique store where i found a great coal bucket and laddle which i needed badly.

Yes i am happy with myself now. I just hated cis men being attracted to me and i had some stalkers that kept me moving a lot too. Now i am just some strange looking person to people who see me (like Pat on SNL but not quite that geeky) as they see no facial hair except some long stragglers which makes people wonder why i have just a few long facial hairs scattered across my face because no males ever have just a few but many women do. I also have pierced ears and soft features from FFS. Yea i look 10 yrs younger than my age. However, this isn't just about me its about people who transition and then find that they wanted to surgeries and gender change / legality changed but not the hassels (with people they do not seek for relationships stalking them) who see them as the other gender. I also, love how people think i am a FTM, which for me, gives me much more respect than being seen as a MTF. People seem to have much less an issue with a woman dressing male than a male dressing female as we all know.

keep the answers coming its appreciated.

I'm going to be skeptical of anybody.  More skeptical of lovers.  More skeptical of anybody with weird baggage.

With that as a zero, would I be more skeptical of transpeople and more so of people with weird personal histories?

Yeah, pretty much.  I am not thrilled to figure it that way and admit it, but yeah.

I'd date anyone who was smart, funny and liked me as much as I like them.  What's on the outside doesn't matter much.  Any combination of parts can be fun if you use them right, right?

Date occasionally, maybe. Date as looking for something more permanent, no.

I can't take care of me right now much less anyone else.

Yup, I'm right there with you on this one, Gina. I mean, sure, I'll date someone with baggage, but only if I have a decent expectation that she is addressing it and moving on with her life. I'm all the more reluctant when it comes to baggage that might be uncomfortable similar to my own; i.e., regarding gender identity.

I'm not sure I understand the question.  Are you saying that you are an MtF who presents male because you prefer the male gender but a female body, or an MtF who likes to be seen as an FtM because you don't like how society treats females?  Those are two very different things.  I would date the former, but not the latter.

I do not care for gender.  I care for personality.  If someone wants to present as masculine or feminine, that is their business.  I care more for why they are doing so, than what they are doing.  For the same reason, I don't care what someone thinks about me.  If my devotion to discipline is considered a male trait, it doesn't matter to me.  That does not change the fact that I want a female body.

I'm confused of what is f2ftm2mtf & m2mtf2ftm.

Trying to understand the beginning of the word f2f I'm already confused. Female to female? What's that?

Quote from: Sad Girl on January 23, 2011, 11:42:46 PM
Trying to understand the beginning of the word f2f I'm already confused. Female to female? What's that?

It's F2FtM.  Not F2F

Quote from: VeryGnawty on January 23, 2011, 11:48:14 PM
It's F2FtM.  Not F2F

Right.  So "f2ftm2mtf" would mean "female to female to male to male to female" and "m2mtf2ftm" would mean "male to male to female to female to male", right?  If so, the confusing part is the "f2" and "m2" at the beginning of each term - why is it "f2ftm2mtf" and "m2mtf2ftm" instead of "ftm2mtf" and "mtf2ftm" or, more simply, "ftmtf" and "mtftm"?

Take FTM and MTF to be a single term and not 'male to female' or 'female to male'.

Therefore 'f2ftm2mtf' is 'female to FTM to MTF'

Does that help any? It is from a sort of detransition. I may have the details wrong but it is something like was born female then transitioned to male then feels the need to transition to female.

Quote from: LordKAT on January 24, 2011, 12:13:03 AM
Take FTM and MTF to be a single term and not 'male to female' or 'female to male'.

Therefore 'f2ftm2mtf' is 'female to FTM to MTF'

Does that help any? It is from a sort of detransition. I may have the details wrong but it is something like was born female then transitioned to male then feels the need to transition to female.

I think I got it, so in it's simplest form it just means a ftm and mtf who both detransitioned.

Quote from: Sad Girl on January 24, 2011, 12:31:13 AM
I think I got it, so in it's simplest form it just means a ftm and mtf who both detransitioned.

Exactly except instead of feeling like they identify as the biological male they are they identify closer to a trans person going opposite of the way they original transitioned.

To the original question I think currently I wouldn't because I'm trying to love myself before I can love someone else. But if I did fall for someone in that situation as long as they were "stable" with where they are at (what I mean is as long as they are at a solid point in transition) it wouldn't bother me but if I thought they were going to change their mind again I probably would wait until they reached the stable point to date them but stay friends in the meantime.