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Started by shelly, January 12, 2011, 04:59:19 AM

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shelly

Just Shelly, well although we want totally different things to be complete, obviously some things i can relate to. Dont know if you have read any other of my posts or threads, but if you have you might of noticed that i was on the verge of SRS, but had a totally change of heart after about 6 months of being on hormones cos like you i just wasnt a 100% sure i was TS. 20 or so years later i dont regret it, well when i am of sane mind anyway, but at times of severe Dystrophia attacks i do wish i had gone ahead and finished the job off if reguardless of how i would of ended up, at least my wife could of met someone normal and i would of not been a burden on her life. She always reasures me that the female side of me is just a part of me that makes who i am, but at times i find this hard to believe and wonder how the heck she has put up with me for 10 years.

Subject of children is a hard one, yeah i do feel like im letting them down occasionaly, however its my life and one day when they have flown the nest they will have their own life to do what they want with it and i will support them as much as i can. I have just started to gently explain to my oldest that i am both male and female and he will ask questions about it every now and then, i just feel its better that i educate him about my circumstances in the hope he can build up resisdence against the taunting he sometimes gets now.


Its just normal that you want to protect your children and you feel that transitioning will f##k up their mind, but lets say you dont transition, could there not be a chance then that your kids end up putting flowers on your grave??As far as society goes, well sod em all, cant stand people who have a clone like excistence all doing the same thing like robots and when all is calm inside, i take a step back and think "its good to be me"
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Kinkly

I have many triggers for my Dysphoria
First the social...
when people make sexist comments/bad jokes (without humour) (in either direction)
when the group spits by gender.
If I'm told to go to the other group.
When I'm the only person in a group who in not with a partner.
when I see other people being overtly loving to their partner (Jealousy is a major issue of mine).
when a shop assistant decides to check that there are no other people in the change rooms before letting me try on clothes.
being told I should comeback when it is quiet if I want to try on clothes.
Body based...
When I try on clothes and need to ask the assistant if they think something will fit me and they say yes but try it on which I was planning on doing and while trying it on I realise I need about 2 sizes larger then that shop sells.
When I try on clothes at a shop and i just look ugly in the mirror.
when My body does things without reason (boy bits stand to attention or I feel phyical pain when there is no reason for the pain)
there are other triggers to feeling Down but those are the main ones that combined with self talk can leave me in tears or trying to hide tears.
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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shelly





Kinkly, if i was to throw away all the clothes i have that look better on a hanger than me, then i would have very few left to wear, i dont have the figure for short skirts or slinky dresses, but that dont stop me buying them, on the whole i look stupid wearing womens clothes, but i feel heavenly and besides you dont walk around with mirrors in front of you 24/7 although i do take the point in, if you look good, ya feel good!

What annoys me about shop assistants is when i buy something and they say, the receipt is in the bag just in case your partner wants to return it!! i sometimes will say "well actually its for me" to which they normally laugh as if i am mucking about, i dont know, tell the truth and no one believes you!
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sfem

Being in shops doesn't trigger anything for me. I think seeing a really curvy figure displayed nicely is probably my main trigger, no matter where or when it is.

I have generally had good experiences in shops. But I had one that made me very unhappy. I was in a Frederick's of Hollywood a couple of years ago, shortly before Christmas. I told the relatively young saleslady that I was looking for something sexy for my wife.  In fact it was for her, but I always have my eye open for myself as well of course. Anyway, I asked about the bra and panty set on a mannequin in the front window. She said no problem, asked for size. I told her. She retrieved the items, and brought them to the register where I was waiting. Before I could ask her to gift-wrap it, she blurted out in the middle of the very busy shop that she would take $10 off the price if I would try it on first.

I was flustered but mostly angry. I'll never go back there.
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shelly

Sfem, ive seen the red chesty pics, so i would of not hesitated in saying "yeah sure" dont think i would of got very far before she started panicing. It does pee me off when everyone seems to live their life in black and white and people like us are treated like clowns, just to be ridiculed.

Filling in forms also gets my goat up, your given a choice of being Male or Female, so i find a tick in both boxes or one in between makes me feel sooooo much better.
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Nobuko

For me, I get dysphoria pangs whenever I see a female that is very attractive. I usually cope by thinking of how thankful I should be for what I do have, and I also try to distract myself with random stuff. :D
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Kinkly

Quote from: shelly on January 17, 2011, 06:39:17 AM
Kinkly, if i was to throw away all the clothes i have that look better on a hanger than me, then i would have very few left to wear, i dont have the figure for short skirts or slinky dresses, but that dont stop me buying them, on the whole i look stupid wearing womens clothes, but i feel heavenly and besides you dont walk around with mirrors in front of you 24/7 although i do take the point in, if you look good, ya feel good!

I always wear female clothes and I have a fair idea of what I think i will look like in most clothes when I see myself and there is a shock that is when I have issues but the worst is when I love the look but it is way too small dispite being the largest size in the store - I'm not a big person

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What annoys me about shop assistants is when i buy something and they say, the receipt is in the bag just in case your partner wants to return it!! i sometimes will say "well actually its for me" to which they normally laugh as if i am mucking about, i dont know, tell the truth and no one believes you!
that's one of the reasons I like to try the clothes on there is no reason for them to think I'm buying for someone else.  Most shops put the recept in the bag even if it is something you can't take back.
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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shelly

Quote from: Kinkly on January 18, 2011, 07:25:08 AM
  Most shops put the recept in the bag even if it is something you can't take back.

My wife put a reason forward for shops making a point of telling a bloke that the receipts in the bag when it comes to a bloke buy female clothes and that is because a lot of the times blokes get embarrassed about buy womans clothes so by a shop assistant saying about the receipt is ment to be a way of saying "is ok mate we know this is really not for you" and therfore putting him more at ease. So if this is true, the next time someone says the receipts in the bag im going to reply "its ok love, ive just tried the underwear on and it fits fine to i wont be bringing it back"
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rite_of_inversion

QuoteFilling in forms also gets my goat up, your given a choice of being Male or Female, so i find a tick in both boxes or one in between makes me feel sooooo much better.

I took a class at my local red cross-and was so happy when I saw on their form three spaces-male, female, and other...so I checked female and other. ;D
Such a little thing to make me SO incredibly pleased...

Btw-Shelly, nice picture...

@ Simone...it's not a nice way for her to phrase it about the spiders, maybe you could ask her to not say it like that? I dunno...
My wife has gotten in men's faces and backed them down when they wanted a fight. However...a cockroach? Terrifying. I get the splat patrol.   
In her defense, though, we get the southern airborne version that fly and land on you invading in the spring. Yuk.

And I'm quietly ADD too-not official, but I have all but one of the inattentive symptoms list from the DSM 4...hmm, maybe androgynes have a tendency to ooh shiny moments.
You set things down randomly too?  I swear I can't complete a project without some sort of large bag tied on my belt into which I can drop things...or I will execute a random setdown and not be able to find things I need to do the project! Drives me nuts (not a long drive).
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Kinkly

I have heard a number of times that the only way to get rid of the Dysphoria is to Fully Transition this implies that everyone is transitioning to the same place I know my end point is not the same as the Binary M2Fs that people assume unless they choose to ask.  It would not be a major up hill battle to get treatment to transition to the person I know I am.  The conversations with doctors where I can't explain to them (because of there closed mindedness or my not knowing the words that they will understand) that can cause major dysphoria.  any time I go to someone for support and I'm made to feel worse I can end up with painful Dysphoria Moments.  I am Transitiong hormones and Living full time as me but it isn't seen like that because Mixed gender isn't a "real" gender aparantly
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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Almond

Quote from: shelly on January 12, 2011, 04:59:19 AM
Working in a supermarket i see an awfull lot of people in the course of my day and most days i am oblivious to what is going on around me, but yet again every now and then a certain female may catch my eye and i find myself transfixed, wishing i could look like her. The incidents i have mentioned are normally triggers for a spell of dysporia depression, most times its not too bad and after a few weeks it seems to disappear, however every now and then the depression gets severe to the point of thinking my wife and family would be better off without me and wishing i was dead. I would say on average i get 3 or 4 spells like this a year, although last year was really bad.

I think it's interesting that find yourself oblivious to everything around you, because I get like that too. I wonder if it's common for trans folks.
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shelly

Im currently on another downer, cant say if im at the start of it the middle or the end, cos "she" comes when she comes and will go in her own time. Being at work has not been good as it seems that most females i see have got the boobs i would like to have or wearing the clothes i would like to be seen in, it becomes a kind of paranoia. I spend a lot of times on my knees at work stacking shelves so a lot of the time i dont see the faces of customers straight away, but you will get someone stand by me and the first thing i notice is the shoes (got this thing about pumps with bows on the front, love em) then i just gradually work my way up and a lot of the time by the end up i find myself wishing i could look like them and i find my stomach turning at the thought. Any other time, i probably wouldnt even notice. Bleeding hate feeling like this, but the more i try to rush these spells through the longer they hang around just need to chill and go with the flow, as my wife always says.
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Eva Marie

Quote from: rite_of_inversion on January 21, 2011, 10:34:01 PM
You set things down randomly too?  I swear I can't complete a project without some sort of large bag tied on my belt into which I can drop things...or I will execute a random setdown and not be able to find things I need to do the project! Drives me nuts (not a long drive).

I'm terrible about this..... i even keep duplicate tools that i use most often in my toolbox because of this. When i inevitably set one down randomly and "lose" it, i just pick up the spare and keep going LOL.... the old one will eventually turn back up again. I've trained myself to put my keys in the same place every night or i'd lose those as well. Its frustrating to be looking around for something that i just had in my hand seconds ago.... and it's gone.
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spacepilot

Some jerk panhandling on the corner yelled "hey lady, got any change" at me. Yeah. Thanks for the dysphoric death spiral, ass hole.
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Virginia

I'm surprised Bombi hasn't chimed in on this, Riven1. It's called CRS (Can't Remember $h!t). Not sure what causes it but I have it too and it's gotten worse every year since I turned 40!
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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ativan

I'm 58. It took me a few seconds to remember that. If I don't put everything I use daily back to the place it's supposed to be, I can't find it. I thought it was just another OCD thing, so I'm happy to hear that it's only CRS.  :laugh:
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LordKAT

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Shana A

Quote from: LordKAT on February 05, 2011, 12:48:30 AM
Mirrors

That's the truth!

Also people calling me sir, mister, or using male pronouns to describe me.

Quote from: Virginia on February 04, 2011, 04:03:44 PM
It's called CRS (Can't Remember $h!t). Not sure what causes it but I have it too and it's gotten worse every year since I turned 40!

It's gotten even worse since 50!  :D

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Sevan

Since I've started T...mirrors are ok. As long as they're not full lenght. Somehow seeing my bottom bits causes a bit of dysphoria. Also my hips, though I think that's more a "fat" issue than a gender issue. (I freakin HOPE that's it...can't know until I've lost some weight and either the issue resolves...or it doesn't. *sigh*)

It's strange...I can play with my bits and be fine. I can look down...and be fine. I can think about my bits and be fine. Seeing them in the mirror though...sucks.

Normally when Cyndi and I go to the pool together we change in the "family" changing room. Our "excuse" is because Cyndi doesn't have good balance and could fall in the shower (possible..but unlikely) the real reason is that we're trans and don't feel comfortable in the gendered changing rooms. Well today...I went swimming by myself I felt like I had to go change in the woman's room. I really didn't even think about it as I walked in. No problem...once I got in there though*sigh* It was....very uncomfortable. I was wearing completely male clothes, hadn't shaved my face since Monday...(haven't shaved the rest of me in over a year) was wearing men's underwear and was changing into my men's swim trunks (and tshirt..) I was VERY self contious. :( I just kept reminding myself that most people feel uncomfortable in the changing room weither they have gender issues or not. I got through it without any tears...but wasn't relishing changing back into my street clothes which always takes me longer....again, got through it just fine but...ugh. That wasn't fun.
I'm also the spouse to the fabulous Mrs. Cynthialee.


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Audietta

Hi,

Since figuring out that I am trans and have a dysphoria problem I have found some remarkable new information on reasons it follows us so much.

I am a new person here and have had GID or Gender Dysphoria for years and am going to solve the problem. At 59 I have figured out for myself a number of ways to get clear. I am concentrating right now on working out everything with a Gender Therapist here in Germany.

One thing I have found interesting is to acknowledge that Transsexuality and TG are real. They are different, in that the cause is not diffuse. However, I think to understand how to calm down from our triggers is a big skill. I get depressed everyday when shopping (huge trigger) or going out to lunch. Until I came out to myself as Trans I did not notice...I just got more distracted. The same would happen with Sex with a partner I love but my brain does not acknowledge. The personal acknowledgement seems to me the key differentiation between Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Gender Dysphoria.

Here is an important quote I want to share: http://www.salon.com/2015/02/07/chaos_of_the_human_brain_how_our_random_thoughts_inspire_genius_%E2%80%94%C2%A0and_self_destruction/

"The obsessive thoughts of OCD are different to those that tend to dominate other types of mental anguish. Recurrent and distressing thoughts are not always an obsession – at least not in the clinical sense. We can find our minds dominated by exaggerated and distressing thoughts of whether our child will survive and flourish in the world, for instance, or crippling nerves before an exam or driving test, but thoughts like that are in step with the rules and rhythms of our life. We want our child to be happy. We want to pass. We can think and worry non-stop about whether we might lose our job, but only because we know we need the money it brings to feed and clothe our family, which we feel and instinctively sense is the right thing to do.
manwhocouldntstopThoughts like that are 'ego-syntonic'. They are in harmony with our drives and motivations. Ego-syntonic thoughts can make us unhappy, but when they do it is their contents and not the thoughts themselves that are the problem. We do not question why we have them. Indeed, sometimes we resent others who do not have ego-syntonic thoughts as acutely as we do. 'I can't believe you left this to the last minute.' 'It's only been a month. Of course I still miss him.'
Taken to extremes these types of ego-syntonic thoughts can cause mental disorder, usually anxiety. But at their heart most concerns of anxiety are rational. So, usually, are the dark thoughts of depression: endless rumination on external events, regret of decisions and how life has unfolded. Severe grief, hysteria even, is based on the rational sense of loss.

Unwanted and intrusive thoughts, the raw materials of obsession, are different. They are irrational. They strike a mental discord. They are 'ego-dystonic'. They clash with how we see ourselves, and how we want others to see us. Just to think these thoughts is enough to make us question who we are. We are not dishonest, yet we could snatch the money from that open till so easily. We do not want to be the dreadful person who could think such terrible and ridiculous things."

In 2009, Daniel Wegner wrote an article for the prestigious journal Science titled 'How to Think, Say, or Do Precisely the Worst Thing for Any Occasion'. What it pointed out is that if you try to not think of something you can't because because your brain keeps scanning for it. He used the idea of trying to ask people to not think of a white bear and they could not stop once they started. But the nature of OCD is random and GID/Gender Dysphoria is not.

The point is that if one has gender issues they can also develop personality overlays to act as a defense to block the internal true self and they push the false self outside the shell. But the shell gets broken from the inside by the repressed gender. The girl or the boy inside kicks the shell which is our outer projection of the self we are equipped with because the inner self knows better and does not accept the defense. We are caught in a paradox. The true self keeps kicking the shell of our self defense attempt until the false self dies.

Unlike a white bear fixation, we simply become what our brains have always been and the problem is then a strength. Instead of tuning out and going internally...we can turn that brain power on to what will give us life and even though there is a lot of icky stuff to grow through...brings us to a happier place.

Am I on the right track?

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